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Matthias J. Sax commented on KAFKA-18168: ----------------------------------------- Hey, thanks for getting back. All good. No need to apologize for anything. Q1: Yes, that sounds right to me. Q2: Would need to look into more details to answer precisely. The method itself, does make a decision if we need to checkpoint or not (and yes, you are right, it check for the 10K threshold); but it just returns a boolean about the decision but does not do the checkpoint itself. Furthermore, the caller can pass in `enforceCheckpoint` flag. Hence, overall the changes could also be a mix of changes inside this method (eg, add some configurable checkpoint time interval in addition to the 10K threshold – or maybe even remove the hardcode 10K threshold – or allow for config for the existing threshold), plus changing the code which calls this method (ie, `StateConsumer.close()` or `GlobalStateUpdateTask.close()`, we would know we alway want to checkpoint, and we pass `enforceCheckpoint=true` when using the method). Does this (somewhat fuzzy) answer help? > GlobalKTable does not checkpoint restored offsets until next 10K events > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Key: KAFKA-18168 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-18168 > Project: Kafka > Issue Type: Improvement > Components: streams > Affects Versions: 3.4.1, 3.8.1 > Reporter: Sergey Zyrianov > Assignee: Janindu Pathirana > Priority: Minor > > As in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-5241, there is a state of > considerable size kept on a topic that backs up GlobalKTalbe. Restoring > GlobalKTable takes minutes before it is operational. After successful restore > the checkpoint file is not created until further 10K events happen on the > topic. > The following scenario illustrates the issue: > # {*}Scaling Out{*}: When a new instance (e.g., pod X) is added to an > already running set of instances (pods 0...X-1), the new instance will > restore the state successfully. However, it will not create a checkpoint file > until 10K events are processed on the {{GlobalKTable}} topic. > # {*}Lack of Traffic{*}: If there is no new traffic on the {{GlobalKTable}} > topic, there is no mechanism to force the creation of the checkpoint file. > The state remains uncheckpointed. Ref > [https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/trunk/streams/src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/streams/processor/internals/StateManagerUtil.java#L78C35-L78C72] > # {*}Instance Restart{*}: If the new instance (pod X) is restarted (due to > update for ex) before 10K events have been processed, it will have to restore > the entire state from the topic again, leading to the same time-consuming > restoration process. This issue persists across restarts. > IMO, checkpointing during the restore process and upon completion/close is > missing in the current implementation > -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.20.10#820010)