IMHO the average user either wouldn't understand these subtle differences 
anyway or if she would understand she probably wouldn't care.

So, I would like to see a single name for this in the UI.
E.g. I cannot see any significant difference between 'external job' and 
'external project' (just personal liking that job sounds better in that case), 
so both would work. Same for maven job or maven project.


Just my 2 cents.

Christoph




-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Wed, 16 May 2012 14:26:31 +0200
> Von: Simon Wiest <simon.wi...@web.de>
> An: jenkinsci-users@googlegroups.com
> Betreff: Re: Is it called "Project" or is it called "Job"?

> Hi bl0ck3r,
> 
> this puzzled me as well at the beginning, but there's actually quite 
> some logic to it ;O):
> 
> A project is a special case of a job, i.e. all projects are jobs, but 
> not all jobs are projects.
> 
> Cheers,
> Simon.
> 
> 
> The long story:
> 
> Perhaps it helps to extend to mentally the names to "*general purpose* 
> jobs" and "*software building* projects" (although the latter don't need 
> build software, they are tailored to this use case).
> 
> In the case of "new job", Jenkins can't not know yet, if the new job 
> will be of the project subtype. On the other hand, once you have chosen 
> to create a project, this is reflected as specific as possible in the UI 
> ("Project Foo"). If you look at the precise wording on the "New Job" 
> page, you'll realize the subtle differences (e.g. "Build a free-style 
> software *project*" as opposed to "Monitor an external *job*").
> 
> An example of a job that is *not* a project is the lesser known 
> "external job" that receives  notifications from events that happen 
> outside Jenkins, but should be tracked inside Jenkins (e.g. system 
> restarts etc.). See 
> https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/Monitoring+external+jobs for 
> more about this job type.
> 
> For the records, this is actual class model used by Jenkins internally 
> (extending sub-classes are indented below their super-class:
> 
> Job
>    AbstractProject
>      MatrixProject (a.k.a. "multi-configuration project")
>      Project
>        FreeStyleProject
>        MatrixConfiguration (a single configuration of a matrix project)
>    StubJob
>    ViewJob
>      ExternalJob
> 
> Only FreeStyleProject, MatrixProject, and ExternalJob are visible on the 
> "New Job" page.
> 
> So, how could we could improve the understanding of the difference 
> between "Job" and "Project" in the UI? Any suggestions?
> --
> bl0ck3r (15.05.2012 15:02):
> > The UI needs to be more consistent. In the main Jenkins menu, I can
> > create a "New Job" called Foo, but after it is created, the page is
> > titled "Project Foo". This is inconsistent and got me confused for a
> > couple of days as I was learning Jenkins.

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