PR raised, see https://github.com/jenkins-infra/jenkins.io/pull/4827
and preview: https://deploy-preview-4827--jenkins-io-site-pr.netlify.app/doc/administration/requirements/web-browsers/ On Friday, 21 January 2022 at 09:15:02 UTC jn...@cloudbees.com wrote: > The only issue I would have in early removal is if a plugin dropped > compatability whilst it was still supported for a supported LTS version, > that said we have no stake in what a plugin does or does not do. So I > guess I have no issue with dropping IE today and promoting Edge to T1. > > it could make any backports harder to versions that still support IE > (should they be needed for any security or regression, but that would be > the same for any change) so I doubt it has any impact on this descision.. > > /James > > On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:37:32 AM UTC timja...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Fine to promote edge, >> >> I don’t think IE should stay on any level. >> >> It will get broken very quickly if we remove the compat we have added for >> it or stop enforcing PRs be compatible with it. >> >> Realistically that’s unlikely to hit the LTS version till June so will >> match up with EOL anyway, but I don’t think we need to keep it there till >> then? >> >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 23:13, James Nord <james...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Given Edge is Chromium based would it make sense to promote that to tier >>> 1 >>> at the same time to leave a platform default browser with T1 >>> comparability / support? >>> >>> It's much less likely to be broken than Safari based on comparability >>> charts. >>> >>> As such I would have no issue dropping IE support should edge be >>> promoted. >>> >>> /James >>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 21:47:32 UTC ullrich...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>>> Yes, it makes sense to drop support (or use Tier 3). I’m also using JS >>>> features that do not work in IE. >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 16.01.2022 um 22:41 schrieb Oleg Nenashev <o.v.ne...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> I would suggest explicitly moving IE 11 to "Tier 3" for now until the >>>> official end of life, with explicit statement it is deprecated. It would >>>> have the same effect as removing it, because Tier 3 states that there're >>>> " No guarantees. We will accept patches, but only if they are low risk. >>>> *This >>>> is the default unless a browser/version is listed below*". Having >>>> explicit support tier would be useful for those users who look into >>>> migration. >>>> >>>> I also suggest promoting Microsoft Edge to Tier 1 in the same patch >>>> >>>> IIUC with removal of IE 11 support we will be also able to cleanup all >>>> CSS style default hacks, right? If so, maybe dropping IE11 right away is >>>> justified >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 10:39:27 PM UTC+1 ga...@gavinmogan.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Absolutely on board with this. The fact that some companies decide to >>>>> keep this old legacy broken browser around shouldn't hold anyone else >>>>> back. >>>>> >>>>> > Bootstrap 5 doesn't support it (I assume warnings-ng is already >>>>> incompatible with IE 11) >>>>> >>>>> Css not working is very different than javascript not working >>>>> >>>>> > Drop IE support completely from the support table on >>>>> https://www.jenkins.io/doc/administration/requirements/web-browsers/ >>>>> >>>>> I know I had to use my open source saucelabs account when I was >>>>> helping out with blueocean, its so hard to test these days. >>>>> >>>>> Gavin >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 12:13 PM Tim Jacomb <timja...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Hello >>>>> > >>>>> > I think it's time that we drop support for IE 11. >>>>> > >>>>> > There's some really good background information for the why's and >>>>> what's in the angular RFC: >>>>> > https://github.com/angular/angular/issues/41840 >>>>> > >>>>> > Some useful reasons why: >>>>> > - IE 11 was released in 2013 and has only received bug and security >>>>> fixes since >>>>> > - Office365 dropped support in August 2021 >>>>> > - Bootstrap 5 doesn't support it (I assume warnings-ng is already >>>>> incompatible with IE 11) >>>>> > - Official end of life is June 2022 >>>>> > - Difficulty of testing changes on it and we have no automated test >>>>> coverage of it >>>>> > >>>>> > This was last discussed in Nov 2019 ( >>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/jenkinsci-dev/c/TV_pLEah9B4) >>>>> > >>>>> > I propose: >>>>> > Drop IE support completely from the support table on >>>>> https://www.jenkins.io/doc/administration/requirements/web-browsers/ >>>>> > >>>>> > When: >>>>> > After the next LTS baseline cutoff, approx 1st February >>>>> > >>>>> > Thoughts? >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks >>>>> > Tim >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAH-3BidYfEY0gTeEH7dRtZ%3DNy%3D%3DC9Tk1KgCSsuqszMi4Jonvvg%40mail.gmail.com >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/2c7c3b00-e424-48ac-926a-cbece8dcfbc1n%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/2c7c3b00-e424-48ac-926a-cbece8dcfbc1n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to jenkinsci-de...@googlegroups.com. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/ff3b9f22-1638-4230-be5b-4c2bf53e633cn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/ff3b9f22-1638-4230-be5b-4c2bf53e633cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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