Hi Uwe, Thank you for your quick reply. I pasted all the snapshot pictures of "top","jstat","jmap","free" commands results in the tests of last email, but these pictures seemed not to be shown.
Your explainations already solved all my confusings. ----- 原邮件 ----- 发件人： Uwe Schindler <u...@thetaphi.de> 收件人： java-user@lucene.apache.org 抄送： 发送日期： 2013年8月7日, 星期三, 1:17 下午 主题: RE: 回复：RE: why lucene not use DirectByteBuffer in NIOFSDirectory Hi, 1) ByteBuffer bb=ByteBuffer.wrap(new byte[len]); //bb is HeapByteBuffer channel.read(bb); this takes indeed 2 Gig of heap because you allocate 2 Gigabytes on java heap. The additional direct memory comes from JVM internals. This depends on the JVM you are using: Some use mmaping, some use direct buffers behind, some directly access the byte buffer. The problem what needs to be taken care of (and why DirectBuffers are better for copying *large* data): The DirectBuffer can be locked into memory and will not be touched by GC. So The operating system can use the underlying POSIX read() method from the kernel and pass the direct memory to it. With heap buffers this more complicated. As the JVM heap manger and GC sometimes defragments the Java heap (out of order in separate thread), the read method cannot use the byte[] directly for the posix call. So indeed you might (depending on JVM) copy the data 2 times: one time from FS cache to direct buffer and then from direct buffer to heap. So indeed for Lucene it could be better to use direct buffers, BUT: Lucene only loads a few bytes from the file, it mostly depends on seeking and not copying data. In that case the overhead of direct buffers overweigh the multiple copies in memory. The double memory allocation does not matter to lucene, as buffers are small. 2) is the same as 1) 3) this copies data one (!) time (from FS cache to direct buffer). But because Lucene uses small buffers in random access the overhead is larger – similar to MMap, with the additional cost of 2 times mapping 4) This is an incorrect example: The “trick” with MMapDirectory is to directly use the whole file as virtual memory. Data is never copied, but its slightly slower on access. It uses zero memory, only fs cache. In your example you copy the whole mapped ByteBuffer into a heap buffer and that is not a good idea. Lucene does not do this, it uses the mapped bytebuffer in random access, so its just like “memory” access. RES is hard to explain in most cases as this is highly dependent on the JVM internals and the internals of your O/S. Its different on Linux and on Solaris or Windows. Its just a “number”, the definition of “RES” is vague, every O/S interprets it different. In reality: The MappedByteBuffer in Lucene is mapped directly on the FS Cache and access to it reads through to the FS cache, the data is never copied and no additional memory is used (because it’s a mapping) Finally: If you have a 64 bit JVM – always use MMapDirectory that’s all explained in the blog post. It uses less physical resources than any other approach and is fastest! It might be worth a try to make NIOFSDir use direct buffers. We can only try it out and see how it behaves – and maybe make it configureable. Uwe ----- Uwe Schindler H.-H.-Meier-Allee 63, D-28213 Bremen http://www.thetaphi.de <http://www.thetaphi.de/> eMail: u...@thetaphi.de From: wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com [mailto:wangzhijiang...@aliyun.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2013 11:36 AM To: java-user Subject: 回复：RE: why lucene not use DirectByteBuffer in NIOFSDirectory Hi Uwe: Thank you for your detail explaination and I learnt a lot from your message. First, the direct buffer and the FS cache do not share the same memory areas. Second, accessing direct memory is slower than accessing heap memory from java code. In addition, I tested the different ways to use bytebuffer in java NIO and watch the memory. The results like below: The initial memory status of linux server , and after each test, i will clear the system cache. RandomAccessFile raf=new RandomAccessFile(file,"r"); // file size is about 2G FileChannel channel=raf.getChannel(); int len=(int)channel.size(); 1. ByteBuffer bb=ByteBuffer.wrap(new byte[len]); //bb is HeapByteBuffer channel.read(bb); It consumes 4G physical memory except FS cache, and the heap memory is 2G consumed by new byte, the other 2G is direct memory outside heap. It confused me that why it would use DirectByteBuffer inside or I made some mistakes? If it uses DirectByteBuffer, then the data will copy from FS cache to direct buffer, from direct buffer to byte array in heap memory, in twice copy? 2. ByteBuffer bb=ByteBuffer.allocate(len); //bb is HeapByteBuffer channel.read(bb); The memory is the same as above. 3. ByteBuffer bb=ByteBuffer.allocateDirect(len); //bb is DirectByteBuffer channel.read(bb); It consumes 2G physical memory except FS cache, and the whole is direct memory outside heap. The heap memory is less than 2M. 4. MappedByteBuffer bb=channel.map(FileChannel.MapMode.READ_ONLY,0,len); bb.get(new byte[len]); It consumes 4G memory from top RES, and the heap memory is 2G consumed by new byte. I am confusing of what is the other 2G. From buffers/cache used: the code should consume 2326 memory, why it is not the same as top RES? All the above tests are not comparing the performance between different ways. In lucene NIO, the size of buffer is 1024, not the whole file size as I tested. And the mmap in lucene, it uses ByteBuffer.get(), getInt() to fetch the data, do not need copy data to new byte array in heap memory as I tested. Wish somebody giving me some explainations about my two confusings from above tests. Thank you again! ------------------------------------------------------------------ 发件人：Uwe Schindler<u...@thetaphi.de> 发送日期：2013年7月31日 18:18 收件人：java-user@lucene.apache.org;wangzhijiang...@yahoo.com.cn; 主 题：RE: why lucene not use DirectByteBuffer in NIOFSDirectory Hi, There is a misunderstanding: Just by allocating a direct buffer, there is still no difference to a heap buffer in the workflow! NIO will read the data from file, copy it to FS cache and then the positional read() system call (used by NIO) copies the FS cache contents to the direct buffer, no real difference to a heap buffer. So it is still the same: data needs to be copied. Please note: Direct buffers have nothing to do with file system cache, they don't share the same memory areas! Hotspot allocates direct buffers using malloc() outside of Java heap, so not really useful here. The backside of using a non-heap buffer as target for the copy operation is the fact, that direct buffers are approx. 2 times slower when accessed from Java code (because they are outside java heap, the VM has to do extra work to prevent illegal accesses: so you have the same time for copy but slower access from Java. The buffers allocated by NIO are small so it does not matter for performance where they are. So heap is better. MappedByteBuffers are also direct buffers (they have the same base class), so there is still the overhead when accessing them from Java code, but to get rid of the additional copy, use MMapDirectory. To conclude: - MMapDirectory: No copying of the data from FS-cache to heap or direct buffers needed, which wastes most of the time. Access times to MappedByteBuffer from Java code is slower, but the spared data copy makes it much better for large files as used by Lucene. - NIOFSDirectory with direct buffers: Needs to copy data from FS cache to direct buffer memory (outside heap). Access times slower to direct buffers than to heap buffers -> 2 times bad - NIOFSDirectory with heap buffers: Needs to copy data from FS cache to heap. Access time from java code is very good! Uwe ----- Uwe Schindler H.-H.-Meier-Allee 63, D-28213 Bremen http://www.thetaphi.de eMail: u...@thetaphi.de > -----Original Message----- > From: wangzhijiang...@yahoo.com.cn > [mailto:wangzhijiang...@yahoo.com.cn] > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:59 AM > To: java-user@lucene.apache.org > Subject: why lucene not use DirectByteBuffer in NIOFSDirectory > > I read this article "Use Lucene's MMapDirectory on 64bit platforms, please!" > and it said the MMapDirectory is better than other Directory because it will > void copy data between file system cache and java heap. > > I checked the source code of NIOFSDirectory, and in new Buffer method it > called "ByteBuffer.wrap(newBuffer)", the generated ByteBuffer is > HeapByteBuffer. And it will indeed copy data between file system cache and > java heap. Why not use ByteBuffer.allocateDirect to generate > DirectyByteBuffer, and it will store data directly in file sysytem cache, not > java heap. If in this case , what is the different in performance between NIO > and MMap? Or allocate directy memory in still slower than Mmap? > > Maybe I made some misunderstanding of lucene code, thank you for any > suggestion in advance. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: java-user-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: java-user-h...@lucene.apache.org
