Mandou bem .... hi hi hi ... Davi Cust�dio. >From: Sven van �t Veer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [java-list] D�vida existencial >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:04:36 -0300 > >> >>Programas Java s�o *SEMPRE* mais lentos que progamas >>nativamente compilados (mesmo os compilados pra m�quina, >>que acabam perdendo a portabilidade , ou seja, a id�ia >>da linguagem Java) > >Isso n�o � verdade!!! existem alguns benchmarks (esqueci aonde) >indicando que java (utilizando HotSpot) pode ser mais r�pido do que apps >em Visual C ou Visual Basic. > >> >>Programas Java (em sua maioria) exigem MUITA m�quina com >>muita memoria para rodar. > >� mentira tb. Seu cellular provavelmente roda Java ! se n�o seu >cellular, no futuro sua geladeira. > >> >>Se considerarmos esses dois t�picos eu fico pensando. O >>Java deve ter algo realmente de MUITO especial. > >Tem, a sua portabilidade e a sua standardiza��o. Java em sua maioria s�o >especifica��es (JCA, J2EE, JDBC, JAXP e muito mais). > >> >>O problema �: Tenho procurado (e muito) por a� mas n�o >>encontrei absolutamente *NADA* de s�rio feito em java. > >Ent�o vc n�o procurou bastante, Q vc acha de DB2 ou Oracle.. N�o s�o >produtos s�rios ???? > >> >>Encontrei sim alguns applets. S�o at� que bonitinhos, >>mas e da�? > >De novo vc n�o procurou bastante. > >>Eu tenho desenvolvido aplica��es cliente >>servidor utilizando Oracle, Ms-SQL Server e Interbase. > >Eu tb, e dai. > >>E >>as aplica��es cliente conseguem rodar at� em m�quinas >>P100 com 16 de Ram! > >Hmm eu fiz ainda em 286 com 640 K de ram.. > >>Pra internet, digo montar sistemas >>de manipula��o de dados via internet, encontrei no PHP, >>ASP, XML, etc a solu��o ideal. > >Se vc n�o quer uma solu��o escalavel, vai com PHP ou ASP se vc quer uma >coisa s�rio, use J2EE assim como 80% dos fortune 500 (sim 80% do fortune >500 use j2ee (weblogic). > >>Desenvolvimento de games? >>Desenvolvi alguns (bem b�sicos � verdade) utilizando >>DirectX e VC++. Aplica��es pra internet v�o muito bem, >>obrigado em Delphi. Preciso que rode tamb�m em ambiente >>Linux? Com o Delphi 6 consigo portar tudo a contento pra >>Linux. E isso tudo contando com velocidade e n�o >>necessitando muita m�quina pra rodar. > >Poizz eh, e Solaris ?? HP-UX ?? Tru-64 ?? AS400 ?? tem delphi ou VB para >estes maquinas ??? A e, falando nisso... www.itauseguros.com.br >(weblogic personalization server),. Trocou de ASP para j2ee pq os >corretores n�o aceitaram mais que o site ficou sempre fora do ar ... > >>O problema, como eu disse, � que n�o encontrei ainda >>absolutamente NADA excepcional feito em Java. > >Procura e vc achar� !!!! usu�rios J2ee... >@pos >12snap >1-800-Flowers >3Com Corporation >3M Health Information Systems >A.G. 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Grainger >Wachovia Corp >Walgreen >Wal-Mart Stores >Walt Disney Corporation >Warner-Lambert >Washington Mutual >Webango >WebMD >Wehkamp >Wellpoint Health Networks >Wells Fargo >WESCO Int. >Williams >Winn-Dixie Stores >Wyndham International >X:Drive >Xerox >XUMA >Yahoo >Yellow >York International >Yorkshire Building Society >Youth Stream >Ziff-Davis >Zurich Financial Services >Zurich Seguro > >>Busco a resposta de >>pessoas s�rias, envolvidas com a tecnologia e que possam >>me mostrar o que realmente podemos atingir com java que >>n�o possamos atingir com outras linguagens ou pelo menos >>que compense a perda de velocidade e o alto requisito de >>hardware. > >O Bill Gates falou em 87 "Ningu�m nunca precisar� mais do que 640 K de >ram" ae a especifica��o de Win XP 128 MEGA de RAM. > >Java n�o necessariamente � a melhor linguagem para criar UI pois o swing >certamente � lento Mas o que precisa depende dos requisitos de projetos. >Amazon troucou para Java porque asp n�o aguentou. > >> >>Por favor, desculpem o tamanho do email. Mas tenho >>certeza que esta d�vida n�o � apenas minha, mas de muita >>gente que deve acreditar que java serve apenas pra fazer >>applets. >> >>Abra�os >> >>Snake_Ice >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>AcessoBOL, s� R$9,90! 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