Unfortunately, in posting this to linux-oriented lists, you are
effectively preaching to the choir.  I am in the slow and somewhat
painful process of swapping my boxen entirely over to FreeBSD for
anything important (games==Windows, sorry) for almost exactly these
reasons.

Do I have a theoretical problem with MSWindows?  If you mean with an OS
that is simple enough for any idiot to use, with plug-and-play
compatibility, etc.?  Not in the least.  Great idea.  It's sure to
become the industry standard...  Oh wait, it has.

Do I have a problem with an integrated office suite?  Not in the least. 
I've used PerfectOffice for years, and I'm figuring out StarOffice now.  

The only issue is that M$ has this monopolistic view of the industry. 
Personally, I think it's foolish of them, really.  Early on, they stole
innovations from the Mac left and right in the pursuit of a better OS. 
That's the way it goes.  But without competition, any industry will fall
prey to its own worst habits.  Example:  NetBSD has versions that'll run
on a toaster oven [exaggeration]; Win2k won't run on the box I am using
right this second.  Admittedly, it's old, but it is still fully
functional and I see no good reason to trash it (other than the fact
that my husband and I now own... 5 computers I think).  Most likely in a
few weeks we will ship this box to my siblings who are in the 7-12 range
and it will get another couple of years of use.  However, M$ doesn't see
this software bloat as a problem because Linux/*BSD is barely a threat
to their market share.  

[sigh]  Enough ranting.  I only wish I had more missionary zeal, you
know?  Enough to get even a few people set up with Linux/*BSD (I'm a
FreeBSDer myself, but I'm only picky in as much as I don't like M$, I'll
happily install the OS of choice on anyone's box).

Marci

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Dawn-Marie wrote:
> 
> > I don't like the idea of a web where m$ choses to ammend websites
> > I visit.  I like it even less that m$ is setting itself up as an
> > authority on what we need to know.
> 
> <major rant>
> 
> It's not just XP that squicks me.  IE 5.5 is like E.T.; it "phones home".
> What does it say to Microsoft?  Oh, where you are geographically (derived
> from registration info it it's available, your time zone, your IP address,
> etc...), what language(s) you are browsing in, what software you are
> running, and what sites you visit.  All of this is so they can market more
> Microsoft goods and services to you, and to protect themselves from
> software piracy.  If you use MSIE 5.5 or better you have absolutely
> surrendered your privacy to Microsoft.  Can you turn this off?  No.  Do
> they need your permission?  Yes, but *you* gave it to them the minute you
> started using IE.  Read the license agreement.  Microsoft basically has
> carte blanche to do anything they want with your computer any time they
> feel like it.
> 
> You know, really reputable sources like The Wall Street Journal, The New
> York Times, The Los Angeles Times, and The Washington Post keep reporting
> this stuff, and people blithely ignore it and keep using MS software.
> Heck, it's convenient and came with their computer.  Besides, they probably
> don't bother reading newspapers and don't mind trading their right to
> privacy for a little convenience.  Our current, pro-business, laissez-faire
> administration in the US isn't going to do anything about it, either.
> Microsoft is no longer feeling threatened by the DOJ, so it's back to
> business as usual.  What's the UK government take on this?  I can't tell
> you.  Many UK government sites now require you to use IE 5.5 or higher to
> visit them.  Netscape, Mozilla, Konqueror, Opera, Arachne, etc... users are
> just plain out of luck.
> 
> Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates makes Microsoft's goals painfully clear if
> you really read what he says.  The Internet is to become yet another
> proprietary Microsoft system.  It's the Microsoft way or the highway, and
> this, somehow, is supposed to be good for consumers.  It will encourage
> "innovation".  That's Microsoft innovation, mind you.
> 
> You know, I am really not a Linux zealot.  I really don't care if you use
> Linux or not.  FreeBSD is fine by me.  Heck, so are proprietary operating
> systems like MacOS X and eCommStation 1.0 (basically, OS/2 5.0, but now
> rechristened and marketed by someone other than IBM, a little late in the
> game).  I am not a Richard Stallman devotee and I really have no problem
> with the concept of intellectual property.  What I *DO* have a problem with
> is one very monopolistic, very rich, very greedy company trying to control
> the global exchange of information, and in effect, have tremendous power
> over us all.  Uncle Bill as Big Brother *bothers* me.  If you care about
> your freedom, your privacy, and real competition and innovation, PLEASE
> boycott Microsoft any way you can.  The corporate state has no attraction
> for me at all.
> 
> Most people are apathetic sheep, who will let those who would take their
> rights away do as they will if things are convenient and safe and
> comfortable.  That isn't limited to this issue, either.  It's so common in
> the US and the EU it just sickens me.  Just give them a beer and a nice,
> big TV and they will be happy little sheep and cheerfully swallow whatever
> the few corporations and/or governments who control the media will feed
> them.
> 
> </rant>
> 
> OK, I feel better now.  Errr... maybe I don't, really, but if just one
> person who reads this DOESN'T take it as face value and also DOESN'T just
> dismiss it... if one person starts questioning the world and the
> authorities around them and starts looking for alternate sources of
> information... if just one person fights for their right to some semblance
> of privacy, then I am really happy I wrote this and then I do feel better.
> 
> -Caity
> (undoubtedly labeled as subversive somewhere)
> 
> 
> 
>    "Confusion will be my epitaph
>    As I crawl a cracked and broken path
>    If we make it we can all sit back and laugh
>    But I fear tomorrow I'll be crying
>    Yes I fear tomorrow I'll be crying"
>    --King Crimson (1969)
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Caitlyn M. Martin             [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Systems Analyst              (919) 541-4441
> Lockheed Martin
> (a contractor for the US EPA)
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>                     the purple
>                     poetry               To:     Caitlyn Martin/RTP/USEPA/US@EPA
>                     goddess              cc:     [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>                     <dmarie@drizz        Subject:     Re: [issues] WSJ article on 
>Microsoft XP "feature"
>                     le.com>
> 
>                     06/08/01
>                     05:54 PM
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > This is from the Wall Street Journal... and is downright scary.  Uncle
> Bill
> > is going to redesign the web for us into his vision of what we need to
> > know.
> >
> > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB991862595554629527.html
> 
>            I just read this article in the new XP browswer.  It is a very
>            annoying feature, and as I read further about the feature, I
>            became rather scared, yes.  The author is absolutely correct,
> there
>            will now be this competition to be "blessed" by m$, and people
> will
>            start paying big money for this to happen.
> 
>            The only word highlighted in the entire article was "microsoft".
>            And the annoying purple squiggles appear regardless of your link
>            setting--mine is set to underline only on "hover".
> 
>            I don't like the idea of a web where m$ choses to ammend
> websites
>            I visit.  I like it even less that m$ is setting itself up as an
>            authority on what we need to know.
> 
>            Thank you for posting this link...I had no idea what this
> annoying
>            feature was.  At least now I know I can turn it off!
> 
>                 Dawn-Marie
> 
>                 "How much change is needed before something is no
>                  longer the same?"
> 
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