I'm guilty of interrupting and dominating conversations, be it with men or women, but then I'm more arrogant than most. I'm presently working on getting this under control because I've been noticing that I've been dominating conversations with my wife Sally recently. I think noticing is most of the battle. Psyche wrote: >I'm sure the lack-of-confidence and second-guessing, if any goes on here, >is specifically a 'woman thing', but I don't know about the hands-on >or intuitive thing--I think that might be just me. In my volunteer medical work, I often have to help train people to deal with patients. Some people lack confidence and are hard to get into the swing of approaching a patient (specially a simulated one) and confidently beginning an assessment. I have observed that of the ones that really balk are female. One of the trainees described it as "stage fright". This was interesting because I balk and hang back at some particular social occasions. My hypothesis is that it's a difference in expected social roles responsible for the observed phenomena. Jenn V. Said: > We have had trolling, I don't recall seeing anything I thought was a troll, which makes me think that some of my posts may be considered trolls. I don't ask questions I don't want to hear answers to and I don't ask questions just so I can have an argument. I do try to ask questions on controversial topics because they are the ones that have stereotyped answers and the diversity of replys tends to help break down the stereotypes. And in another post, Jenn V. said: > issues: technically, it's a list for discussing women-and-technology > issues, including the social women-and-technology things (like 'maybe Ah, I thought it was 'womens issues in general' leading me to post a while ago about children and censorship (which I thought was an 'everyone' issue). My bad. > However, it's a quiet enough list that I doubt anyone would mind > other sorts of discussions as well .. so long as they were at least > roughly on-topic. Guess mine was a bit too O/T. I got told off. Rebecca W wrote: > sometimes i have to send pictures just to prove im a girl! 1. Sending a picture doesn't prove that you are the person in the picture. 2. Unless the pictures are uummm... immodest, it still doesn't prove anything. There are some very convincing transvestites about. 3. Even if it is immodest, there are several hours of digital analysis involved in checking that it's not tampered with. Not important, just amused by the idea of sending a picture to prove ones gender and more amused at someone being sceptical enough to require proof but having their scepticism swept aside by a picture. > maybe everyone except me and telsa gets tired of men > wandering into porn discussions on channel. I am frequently stunned when I hear of people discussing this sort of thing on a technical IRC channel. It lacks taste. They may as well post twenty lines of "I am an oik!". That said, the only time I use IRC is when I'm trying to acheive something specific so I guess I dodge the bozos. Magni O wrote: > Write about the design of your brilliant new web-templating system, down > to all the gory details and that stuff, and send it to the list and ask > for comments. And when you do, would you mind cc'ing me. I'm also working on a web templating system (well, more of a servlet framework) in Java and I'm interested to hear your opinions on good web templating system design. I don't follow tech-talk because it's just too darn tempting to post answers to everything under the sun. I feel somewhat guilty for unsubscribing from tech-talk as it feels like its denying people help but I *really* want to avoid the temptation to dominate the replies. Hearing that most replies are from the guys already makes me think I did the right thing. Magni O also wrote: > What about changing the rule about male postings to the list: "men OK, > but keep in mind that you're in a forum which is largely for women. I find that if I don't respond to posts immediately, I don't respond at all. I don't hold list data in my head, my brain's too small for all the other stuff I've crammed in there already. When I was reading tech talk, I considered using the 24 hour delay method, but rapidly gave up on it as too hard. Jenn V wrote: > > do women tend to stay away from the really technical stuff? > It looks like it from over here. Seems like it to me too. > > is this something that needs to be fixed with the world? > I'd say yes! (knee jerks) NNNNNNNnnnooooooooooo!!!!!!! Well, actually maybe. For women who want to do really technical stuff, but feel they can't for some reason then I agree: This needs fixing. For women who just aren't interested, let them be disinterested. I've posted that particular $0.02 before, but there are newbies around. _______________________________________________ issues mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/issues
