Mary Wood wrote: > > >If you have ideas for things women CAN do, though.. I'd love to > >know them. Other than 'be present and visible and competent', I'm > >fresh out.... > > Hmmm, take those too-many women who are perpetuating the > negative female stereotype and beat them to a pulp? > > ... or would that not be drastic enough? Too dramatic. :) Be subtly bitchy and exclusionary - the way they are to us. Tempt them into realising that it's NOT OK ANYMORE. Why don't we apply peer pressure to them, and the males who are also into 'equalism' apply peer pressure to the males who perpetuate the stereotypes, and between us we get somewhere? Note: I've cured stereotypical behaviour (The 'I can't possibly fix that!' problem) by calmly and quietly leading them into figuring out what's wrong with the thing that's broken, and leading them to figuring out a potential repair. Once they've repaired one thing, it gets easier to lead them to repairing the next one. Once they've repaired four or five things, they're into how /good/ it /feels/ to be competent! I hook them! Worse than drugs! Jenn V. -- "We're repairing the coolant loop of a nuclear fusion reactor. This is women's work!" Helix, Freefall. http://www.purrsia.com/freefall/ Jenn Vesperman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.simegen.com/~jenn ************ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org