I found it very interesting, when CNN last night was talking about the case, and they mentioned that Joel Klein has ruled out ONE penalty: A fine. So it's pretty clear that MS is not going to get a simple monetary slap on the wrist. I suspect this makes the Caldera case almost a done deal, especially in light of the judge's ruling on 11/2. WRT the Finding Of Fact itself, I found the first several paragraphs one of the best explanations of the industry in layman's terms that I've seen in quite some time. This judge *ACTUALLY GETS IT!*. Score one for the feds. Now MS is talking settlement, which means they'll probably implement their breakup plans that they've been working on for a few years.. I suspect we'll probably see something along the lines of Operating Systems (NT and friends), Applications (Office and company), Internet (MSN, IE), and E-commerce (Net ventures) -Ian (glad to be back in CO) -- <cosmo> wow, this is kinda nifty. the Win98 protocol stack is like a chinese puzzle, twist and turn in the right places, and it pops right off. -Seen on EFNet IRC ************ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org