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Till Rohrmann commented on FLINK-23402: --------------------------------------- +1 for unifying the way the exchange mode is configured. I also really like Stephan's proposal for the 3 different batch modes. I do agree that they make a lot more sense than what we currently have and will make it easier for our users to use and understand Flink. Scoping wise implementing first {{RuntimeMode.BATCH.withAllExchangesBlocking()}} and {{RuntimeMode.BATCH.willAllExchangesPipelined()}} could be a start. However we should consider that changing the default from {{withAllExchangesBlocking()}} to pipelined within slot sharing groups if it's a {{FORWARD}} edge, can be a behavioural change in terms of resource consumption. Consequently, this might break some jobs that all of a sudden might need more resources for a slot. > Expose a consistent GlobalDataExchangeMode > ------------------------------------------ > > Key: FLINK-23402 > URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-23402 > Project: Flink > Issue Type: Sub-task > Components: API / DataStream > Reporter: Timo Walther > Priority: Major > > The Table API makes the {{GlobalDataExchangeMode}} configurable via > {{table.exec.shuffle-mode}}. > In Table API batch mode the StreamGraph is configured with > {{ALL_EDGES_BLOCKING}} and in DataStream API batch mode > {{FORWARD_EDGES_PIPELINED}}. > I would vote for unifying the exchange mode of both APIs so that complex SQL > pipelines behave identical in {{StreamTableEnvironment}} and > {{TableEnvironment}}. Also the feedback a got so far would make > {{ALL_EDGES_BLOCKING}} a safer option to run pipelines successfully with > limited resources. > [~lzljs3620320] > {quote} > The previous history was like this: > - The default value is pipeline, and we find that many times due to > insufficient resources, the deployment will hang. And the typical use of > batch jobs is small resources running large parallelisms, because in batch > jobs, the granularity of failover is related to the amount of data processed > by a single task. The smaller the amount of data, the faster the fault > tolerance. So most of the scenarios are run with small resources and large > parallelisms, little by little slowly running. > - Later, we switched the default value to blocking. We found that the better > blocking shuffle implementation would not slow down the running speed much. > We tested tpc-ds and it took almost the same time. > {quote} > [~dwysakowicz] > {quote} > I don't see a problem with changing the default value for DataStream batch > mode if you think ALL_EDGES_BLOCKING is the better default option. > {quote} > In any case, we should make this configurable for DataStream API users and > make the specific Table API option obsolete. > It would include the following steps: > - Move {{GlobalDataExchangeMode}} from {{o.a.f.streaming.api.graph}} to > {{o.a.f.api.common}} (with reworked JavaDocs) as {{ExchangeMode}} (to have it > shorter) next to {{RuntimeMode}} > - Add {{StreamExecutionEnvironment.setExchangeMode()}} next to > {{setRuntimeMode}} > - Add option {{execution.exchange-mode}} > - Add checks for invalid combinations to StreamGraphGenerator > - Deprecate ExecutionMode ([avoid > confusion|https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68335472/what-is-difference-in-runtimeexecutionmode-and-executionmode]) -- This message was sent by Atlassian Jira (v8.3.4#803005)