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ASF GitHub Bot commented on FLINK-9169:
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Github user tzulitai commented on the issue:

    https://github.com/apache/flink/pull/5950
  
    @StefanRRichter I have updated the PR. Also had to do a rebase due to 
conflicts.
    
    Regarding the thoughts you brought up:
    - Bubble up `UnloadableTypeSerializerException` approach:
    I introduced the exception, but only use it minimally. I think overall it 
is definitely an improvement, since we don't have to carry the dummy flag all 
the way down to the low-level serializer serialization proxy. However, I don't 
think there really is a need to handle it any level higher than the 
`TypeSerializerSerializationUtil.readSerializersAndConfigsWithResilience` 
method, since the original intent of that method was to always be fault 
tolerant when reading a bunch of serializers alongside other things. More 
details on that in my above comments.
    
    - Whether or not we really need to hand down the flag to 
`KeyedBackendSerializationProxy`:
    My gut feeling is that, even if in the future we bubble up the 
`UnloadableTypeSerializerException` to higher level components, the 
serialization proxy is still where we need to decide whether or not we handle 
it with a dummy serializer. The reason is that the serialization proxies 
handles deserialization of _all_ keyed state meta infos (and therefore their 
serializers); simply bubbling the exception further up without checking does 
not make sense.


> NPE when restoring from old savepoint and state serializer could not be 
> deserialized
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: FLINK-9169
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLINK-9169
>             Project: Flink
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: State Backends, Checkpointing
>    Affects Versions: 1.5.0, 1.4.2
>            Reporter: Till Rohrmann
>            Assignee: Tzu-Li (Gordon) Tai
>            Priority: Major
>             Fix For: 1.5.0
>
>
> A user reported to have observed the following exception when restoring a 
> Flink job from a 1.3 savepoint with Flink 1.4.
> {code}
> 2018-04-02 21:44:18,146 INFO  org.apache.flink.runtime.taskmanager.Task       
>               - ApplyAMUpdate (13/160) (7248adb0b85f4458ae4144963d65
> 6fa6) switched from RUNNING to FAILED.
> java.lang.IllegalStateException: Could not initialize keyed state backend.
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.api.operators.AbstractStreamOperator.initKeyedState(AbstractStreamOperator.java:293)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.api.operators.AbstractStreamOperator.initializeState(AbstractStreamOperator.java:225)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.runtime.tasks.StreamTask.initializeOperators(StreamTask.java:692)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.runtime.tasks.StreamTask.initializeState(StreamTask.java:679)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.runtime.tasks.StreamTask.invoke(StreamTask.java:253)
>         at org.apache.flink.runtime.taskmanager.Task.run(Task.java:718)
>         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:748)
> Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.util.Preconditions.checkNotNull(Preconditions.java:58)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.runtime.state.RegisteredKeyedBackendStateMetaInfo.<init>(RegisteredKeyedBackendStateMetaInfo.java:53)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.contrib.streaming.state.RocksDBKeyedStateBackend$RocksDBFullRestoreOperation.restoreKVStateMetaData(RocksDBKeyedStateB
> ackend.java:1216)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.contrib.streaming.state.RocksDBKeyedStateBackend$RocksDBFullRestoreOperation.restoreKeyGroupsInStateHandle(RocksDBKeye
> dStateBackend.java:1153)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.contrib.streaming.state.RocksDBKeyedStateBackend$RocksDBFullRestoreOperation.doRestore(RocksDBKeyedStateBackend.java:1
> 139)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.contrib.streaming.state.RocksDBKeyedStateBackend.restore(RocksDBKeyedStateBackend.java:1034)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.runtime.tasks.StreamTask.createKeyedStateBackend(StreamTask.java:773)
>         at 
> org.apache.flink.streaming.api.operators.AbstractStreamOperator.initKeyedState(AbstractStreamOperator.java:283)
>         ... 6 more
> {code}
> Looking at the {{KeyedBackendStateMetaInfoSnapshotReaderWriters}}, we create 
> {{RegisteredKeyedBackendStateMetaInfo.Snapshot}} where the 
> {{stateSerializer}} can be {{null}}. This is not the problem, however, in 
> {{RocksDBKeyedStateBackend#restoreKVStateMetaData}} we create a 
> {{RegisteredKeyedBackendStateMetaInfo}} from the deserialized {{Snapshot}} 
> where we null check the state serializer. This will then fail with an 
> indescriptive NPE.
> I think the same should happen when resuming with Flink 1.5 from a 1.4 
> savepoint.



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