On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, Erik Kline wrote:

      > You could also just say that ASBRs are presumed to be communicating 
within a well-managed environment,
      are often zero or one hops away from one another, and that this 
environment MUST accommodate the larger
      MTU for tunnel-mode IPsec encapsulation.

      If it’s such a trusted one hop, why do you need IPsec to signal a traffic 
label?

Seems to me like "trusting" that the MTU can be set to a useful value and 
trusting the origin of IP addresses of
packets forwarded across the link are two very different things.

But I am not a SEC AD.  :-)

:-)

It sounds like we are talking about a dedicated line, so one could set
the MTU to 9000 perhaps and not worry. But then one can also just use
IPsec ESP NULL (or hack, even real IPsec encryption).

I am a bit confused about the goal/purpose vs the solution space (but
will admit my understanding so far comes from the messages on the list
and not yet of me going through the document, which I plan to do over
the next couple of days).

Paul

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