Yoav,

I did not mean to suggest that the SPD UI has to be a low level interface that makes it difficult for users to achieve their secruity goals. On the other hand, I would be surprised if any vendor's UI really accepted English (or another human communication language). So, despite the fact that policies are written in a human communication language, those policies need to be entered into a UI via a language that is more rigorous. I don't think we're saying anything different; we both agreed that a UI can provide simple ways for users to enable the needed bypass entries.

RFC 4301, in Figure 1 and Figure 3 shows where IKE lives relative to the IPsec boundary, and that implies the need for the sort of SPD entries you cited in your message

I do think that Syed was saying something different, i.e., that the IPsec architecture document should explicitly say what SPD entries must be created to enable bypass of this sort of traffic. That would be a bad idea, as it would require revisions to the architecture every time some new example of such bypassed traffic arises.

Steve
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