sorry, bad roads and writing from my mobile. I am not driving but still ;-)
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 7:33 PM Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 7:25 PM Joe Watkins <krak...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Afternoon, >> >> It should be clear that if we were in receipt of the kind of notice that >> the Guardia sent to Github we would be extremely ill advised to ignore it, >> regardless of the services we use, location of servers, or any other detail >> you care to mention. The Guardia did not target Github because of their >> affiliation with any state, country, or company but because of their >> association with the contravention of the mentioned laws. >> > > It will go a bit off topic however let me take another real example. > > In Brunai, lgbt* lost all their rights. Promotions, many areas are > affected if not all. one will break the law one or another by helping or > doing some activities with "proven" LGBT. > -promotions > In 1930s and later, everything done to the Jews and other communities were > followed the laws. > +In Europe > What I seriously question, and this is a debate we sadly have to have > these days, is our stand about all laws being promulgated in so many > countries, laws that would raise revolt or more in most of my or your > countries. > > The not so dramatic case in spain belongs to that as well. Btw. > > best, > > >> > Given the current context, in so many countries, commercial companies >> are under huge pressures from governments. >> >> Making these things our problem doesn't make a whole lot of practical >> sense. >> >> If we can't find practical reasons not to take advantage of what is being >> offered, then I don't think we should put theoretical problems in the way >> of progress. >> >> Cheers >> Joe >> >> >> On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 at 12:57, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2019, 2:35 PM Joe Watkins <krak...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Morning Pierre, >>>> >>>> > Sorry, no time to dig in our list of current active contributors and >>>> define the risks for each of them. >>>> >>>> That's not what I asked for, I asked for a single concrete example >>>> where this would have in fact been a problem. >>>> >>> >>> Iran, Venezuela (not sure we have some in our contributors) f.e. cannot >>> use github, depends on the case but either by citizenship or actual >>> locations. By paid account, banned if based in either country. >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm in Spain, and unaware of any access problems ... >>>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9kevn7/spain-and-github-are-blocking-an-app-that-helped-protesters-organize >>> >>> >>> >>>> Can you point me to a story explaining what you're talking about in >>>> regards to Spain and South America ? >>>> >>> >>> see above. >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm not suggesting we ignore it, and I may in fact be ignorant of some >>>> of the problems you are talking about. But, at bottom world politics and >>>> political instability are not the problem of an open source project. >>>> >>>> I'm also not suggesting we move everything to github. I'm simply >>>> questioning the "owning all content" mantra because it doesn't make as much >>>> sense today as perhaps it once did. >>>> >>> >>> Thanks you for the clarification. I am also all fine to use github. I >>> however would like to ensure everyone can participate. >>> >>> Given the current context, in so many countries, commercial companies >>> are under huge pressures from governments. >>> >>> Not many care about Iran or Venezuela but I feel like other communities >>> could be next if things get worst, and not only nation based communities >>> but religions, orientations, etc. Indeed not in UK or EU, but I am not sure >>> at all about (too) many other countries. >>> >>>>
