> On Sep 16, 2019, at 4:10 AM, Arnold Daniels <arnold.adaniels...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
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> On September 16, 2019 at 7:40 GMT, Mike Schinkel <m...@newclarity.net> wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Alternatives to the RFC?
>>> 2. Enhancements to the RFC?
>>> 3. Modifications to the RFC?
>>> 4. Other features that are a pre-requisite for the RFC's feature?
>>> 5. Other features that would add value to the RFC's feature?
>>> 
>>> 
>> Everything you list is appropriate to talk about as feedback to an RFC.
> 
> IMHO what you see with the object initializer discussion, has gone beyond "I 
> think named arguments is a good alternative, because ...". A big part of the 
> thread is about how to best implement named arguments and other (possibly 
> alternative) features. This overshadows the topic of the original RFC.
> 
> Additionally, even if the general consensus is that named arguments are 
> indeed a better alternative, it doesn't help to advance PHP forward, since no 
> progress is being made to implement that feature.
> 
> As such, it would be preferable if the RFC about named arguments 
> (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/simplified_named_params) was revived and discussed 
> out of context of the object initializer RFC.

To clarify again, I had these questions *before* the Object Initializer RFC was 
proposed.

Please do not assume I asked these questions because of any form of "sour 
grapes" about the Object Initializer RFC discussions. Yes I want object 
initializers but my questions were not a passive-agreesive way to try and get 
that to pass.  They are honest questions unrelated to the Object Initializer 
RFC that I have wondered about based upon my reading of all the discussion on 
the recent contentious RFCs.

I created a new thread so that my questions could be discussed in the general 
context and not in the context of Object Initializer RFC. The only reason I 
referenced the Object Initializer RFC because it was a recent example and thus 
a convenient one to reference. I now wish I had not included any examples in my 
list of questions because it has caused the answers to be focused on that RFC 
and not RFCs in general.

-Mike

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