On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:07 PM Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Joe Watkins <krak...@gmail.com> > >Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:59 PM > >To: internals@lists.php.net > >Subject: [PHP-DEV] RFC Abolish Narrow Margins > > > >Afternoon internals, > > > >Some time ago I brought up for discussion: > >https://wiki.php.net/rfc/abolish-narrow-margins > > > >I intend to bring this up for vote in the next few days. > > Joe, > > Given that time that passed since I brought up my wider-scoped RFC, and > yet haven't pushed it through (some major things were happening on my end, > as you may have heard...) - I can imagine you're not going to like what I'm > going to say, but fundamentally - nothing changed. It still doesn't make > sense, IMHO, to discuss the margin independently of other questions - even > if you explicitly mention them as being outside of the scope of the RFC. > > Also, given the time that passed and the importance of this, it should > require a brand new mandatory 2-week discussion period before we go for a > vote - even if you insist on moving forward with this narrow-scoped RFC. > > At the same time, I'd like to finally solicit feedback explicitly on my > wider-scoped RFC, as I guess we can't wait any longer. I'll send a > separate email about that. > > Zeev >
I agree with Joe here that we should handle the question of voting margins separately. Your RFC is a much more comprehensive reform, which contains a number of points that look highly controversial to me (such as the eligible voter changes). It may take a long time until we reach a satisfactory consensus there. On the other hand, this RFC is very simple and at least to me a complete no-brainer. I already use 2/3 majority for all my votes, because I very strongly believe that changes to PHP need to be held to a much higher standard than a simple majority. It is outright shameful that functionality can be added to PHP if 21 vote in favor and 20 against. That's not a consensus, that's a complete disagreement. It's not necessary to decide all questions regarding the RFC process at once. Voting threshold is a very self-contained issue and we can decide it separately from other controversial changes. Regards, Nikita
