On 31/12/17 10:24, Tony Marston wrote: > wrote in message news:28ba9e6a-a3f2-2547-d294-f3a1710d5...@rhsoft.net... >> >> >> >> Am 30.12.2017 um 11:37 schrieb Lester Caine: >>> On 30/12/17 09:16, Tony Marston wrote: >>>>>> You are missing the point. If an RFC is so badly written that someone >>>>>> does not understand it, or understand what benefits it is supposed to >>>>>> provide, then there is no point in up-voting it >>>>> >>>>> if i don't undrstand it i don't vote at all - that's the point >>>>> >>>>> not up >>>>> not down >>>> >>>> If you can't understand it then you cannot tell what benefit it >>>> gives to >>>> the greater PHP community, and if you cannot see that it provides any >>>> benefit then you should vote it DOWN. >>> >>> The 'greater PHP community' I continue to support is still only looking >>> for a simply life, but each iteration of PHP7 is just making things more >>> and more complex, which is why I STILL have not switched off PHP5 and >>> 5.4 and earlier is still running a large percentage of sites. Just what >>> percentage of the wider community thinks that strict typing is giving an >>> essential benefit? If there was a groundswell for typing then perhaps we >>> would not have this continual debate on just how to jam a little more of >>> a move that way and get on with a version of PHP that is only typed. >>> Then for one can simply avoid it ... >> >> who thinks it don't give you a benefit? >> >> for new code it's the best you can do do get it as bugfree as possible >> and fro old code you still are not forec to any typehints and for >> migration you have weak types too >> >> sorry, but discuss end of 2017 if types was a goof d idea and talk >> about the 'greater community' but still run PHP5? in the meantime I >> have changed *everything* written in the last 15 yeas to >> strict_types=1 and type hints everywhere - you find so much potential >> bugs that it's worth > > Some of us are clever enough to write code that doesn't have those types > of bug in the first place. I developed my framework in PHP4 before type > hints even existed, and I developed a large enterprise application with > that framework which is now being sold to large corporations all over > the world. That codebase has moved from PHP 4 through all versions of > PHP 5 and is now running on PHP 7.1. During these upgrades I have only > changed my code to deal with what has been deprecated, and I have never > bothered with any of those new optional extras (such as typehints) > unless I have been convinced that the effort of changing my code has > measureable benefits. > > The idea that typehints provide benefits to the whole PHP community is > completely bogus. It only provides apparent benefits to those > programmers who have moved from a strictly type language to PHP and who > feel lost without the crutch that a strongly typed language seems to > provide. I work faster with a dynamically and weakly typed language, so > speed of development is far more important to me. Any so-called bugs > are detected and fixed during the testing phase, so I don't want the > language being slowed down performing checks that I don't want.
Thanks for that Tony ... almost exactly where I am as well ... I started just as PHP5 came to final betas - from C++ - and never had a problem with the flexibility that provided. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
