On 09/11/2016 10:47 AM, Tony Marston wrote: > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2016 7:47 PM >> To: Tony Marston ; internals@lists.php.net >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecate PEAR/PECL & Replace with >> composer/pickle >> Hi! >> >>> You seem to think that any opinion which differs from yours is wrong, >>> and you try to dismiss that opinion by classing it as "abusive". I'm >>> afraid this lack of tolerance for different opinions is becoming more >>> and more prevalent in this forum, and I fear it will have a detrimental >>> effect on the whole PHP ecosystem. >> Tony, the issue is not your opinion - which, by now, we are amply >> familiar with, and to which you are fully entitled. The issue is the way >> you are expressing this opinion - in a combative style bordering on >> personal attack. > The fact that I express my displeasure in strong terms comes from the fact > that without it you would not realise how strongly I disagree. In my early > days I would try to be diplomatic and gentle in my criticisms only to have > them ignored. I therefore use strong words to make it absolutely clear that I > strongly disagree. > >> I would suggest that if you are interested in your >> opinion being considered and supported by others, to amend the tone as >> to be more concentrated on technical merits and less on flame. >> >>> That is a valid opinion. Consider the fact that the Windows operating >>> system was only accepted by large numbers of users as it had a "modern" >>> GUI and not a command line interface. You try and release a new piece of >> In fact, Windows does have command-line interface > That may be the case, but it would not have been accepted by trillions of > users if it ONLY had a command line interface. > >> , moreover - Microsoft >> recently invested significant resources into making this interface more >> powerful and flexible. Moreover, many of the professional programmers >> routinely use command-line tools on Windows. > I’m a profession programmer, yet I don’t use ANY command line tools. The fact > that SOME do is no reason to say that everybody should. > >> It is true that average >> Windows user does not spend much time in command-line, but we need also >> to remember that PHP developer is not exactly an average Windows user. >> >>> give them the right to force it upon the rest of the world. Most users >>> are much happier with a GUI than CLI, so not providing a "modern" >>> interface is showing disrespect to those users. >> That depends a lot on how you count "most users". If you talk about >> Windows users, sure, you claim may have merits. If you talk, however, >> about Windows users *that are PHP developers* - I'm not sure this is >> true, at least without some factual backing, and it's in no way obvious. >> In any case, we are a volonteer project, which means we release what >> project participants build. If you or someone else will produce suitable >> GUI for composer, etc. - we can discuss it. But stating that somebody >> unknown should produce some software is useless - it only gets produced >> when specific people volonteer their time to do it. > Then I suggest that those who are so anxious to see of death of PEAR/PECL > should be forced to provide a viable alternative first. Otherwise they would > be just like those stupid politicians who try to force commuters out of their > private cars and into public transport without realising that the existing > public transport system is NOT a viable replacement and is incapable of > taking on the extra load. again, nobody is trying killing PEAR/PECL. do we need to use strong terms to make that clear ? > > -- > Tony Marston >
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