On 6/15/2016 1:30 AM, Tom Worster wrote: > On 6/14/16 3:12 PM, Fleshgrinder wrote: > >> Call me ignorant but is this required in typical web applications? > > PHP is used for various things, not just web apps. I use it for various > other things because its the language in which I am most fluent. >
> PHP is and should remain: a pragmatic web-focused language > > --- Rasmus Lerdorf Please do not ignore our mission statement here. PHP is not a general purpose language and even real general purpose languages do not offer predictable RNGs. On 6/15/2016 1:30 AM, Tom Worster wrote: > And the requirements of *typical* apps using PHP should not be the basis > for removing functions that are in fact used in existing programs. > Moving to PECL is not considered a BC and people are easily able to get the functions back in if they really need to. On 6/15/2016 1:30 AM, Tom Worster wrote: > It's possible to change programs so they don't use mt_rand() etc. but > most people won't thank you for forcing them to rewrite software that > works. > The applications and libraries who are using it incorrectly right now will thank us for making it harder to use the language incorrectly. On 6/15/2016 1:30 AM, Tom Worster wrote: > Leigh, iiuc, is trying to fix bugs. Let's not change the discussion to > cleaning up PHP's API. > This is not what my proposal is about. I would move all the broken and weak stuff to PECL and offer the already existing good alternatives to the developers. At the same time we are able to fix the problems in the PECL modules and release a new major version of those packages. We do not need to fix password_hash() nor random_int() since they work and they are what is needed in a web-focused language. -- Richard "Fleshgrinder" Fussenegger
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