On Jan 5, 2016 11:13 PM, "Derick Rethans" <der...@php.net> wrote: > > On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, François Laupretre wrote: > > > Le 05/01/2016 15:31, Peter Lind a écrit : > > > > > A quick question: suppose you're from a minority group, and you've been the > > > target of abuse previously your life. You now join the PHP community and for > > > whatever reason, someone takes a dislike to you and starts harassing you in > > > private. The abuse makes use of the same stuff you've been through before, > > > and because this is a real douchebag, some very humiliating things are > > > thrown in for good measure. How exactly would you feel about having all of > > > this made explicit to all the other PHP devs? Presumably you look up to some > > > of these people - would your first thought be "Oh I know! I'll post all this > > > nasty stuff to a public mailing list, that is archived on the web where > > > EVERYONE can see all the humiliation coming my way - and where google is > > > sure to pick up all these things about me!"? If you happen to belong to a > > > minority group that often is at the receiving end of abuse, what would you > > > think if this was the message being sent? Would you expect to be understood > > > by your peers, or would their concern about being possibly accused of > > > something seem like an out-of-hand rejection? Regards Peter > > > > You're probably right but that all sounds too 'american' to me. These > > questions of 'minority group' refer to a multi-cultural situation that is > > totally foreign to my culture. But I understand it may be an important concern > > for others. > > It doesn't even have to be a minority group: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4UWxlVvT1A > > > Anyway, I don't say that it cannot happen, I just say that, AFAIK, we > > never got such concerns in the PHP community. > > Sorry - not true. I can name several issues from various PHP related > conferences. Although not directly under the "control" of the PHP > developers team (and hence not influenced by a proposed CoC), they're > certainly part of the community.
Same here. And in the core as well. Even relatively recently. I would love to see more focus on how to make this out in a fork we can all agree on instead of arguing about the rights of one or the other, all parties will have the same rights. Or to argue about whether such bad event can happen or not. It will too late to do it when it will happen again. This alone is a good enough reason to do it, now. About anonymity, it is also critical during the whole investigation and afterwards. The reasons are rather obvious for both parties and have been explained here. A quick but well thought reaction is vital. In case of an harassment, the group can take measure and "officially" request to stop any private contact with the victim. Whether the accused person is guilty or not is not relevant at this stage. It will help to protect both parties. I am also convinced that we need one now more than ever before. Not because we have more issues (or less) but because we are in a position now to actually setup such CoC in a good way. And we are also the leading web programming language. We must ensure that we act accordingly. I also trust us to have the structure to manage such situations in a fair manner. Cheers, Pierre
