On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Paul M. Jones <pmjone...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Jan 4, 2016, at 21:22, Bishop Bettini <bis...@php.net> wrote: >>> >>> Every long standing collaborative system adopts, uses, and sheds rules of >>> conduct to suit its real and perceived challenges. >> >> Including the one headed by Linus Torvalds, right? (/me rolls eyes) >> >> I don't know which is worse: that this is being discussed in the first >> place, or that there are so many willing volunteer speech police around to >> support it. > > What is worst is seeing someone using an example of a person referring > to abortions, sexual comments related to "stop the breed" and other > disgusting things as an example of why we should not have a CoC. That > and the fascist comparison makes me wonder a lot about his values. May > I suggest you to bring constructive arguments into the game instead? I > got what you consider as a limitation of free speech. I think many > already explained why it is not about free speech but protection and > about confirm and ensure a safe context, given you understand what > "safe" means here. Hopefully.
And let me be crystal clear here about my view before I stand back until the RFC is getting more complete. For one, as much as I dislike bad behaviors, I do not mind it when I am the target. I was myself quite pushy from time to time while trying to stay polite (and failed on IRC from time to time). Our RFCs process improve things a lot by reducing the heat of sterile and frustrating discussions on internals. I did not mind either someone telling me I am stupid (for the nicer version of some of the descriptions I was honored to get) for doing this or that while providing a patch. But the thing is not that simple. I am not alone. What you define in a very disrespectful way as "poor little hurt" is matter of mutual respects. I known environments where you can be fired to act like this, even during internal meetings. And this is totally fine. The base of mutual respect is to create a common base, a compromise where everyone will feel comfortable within decent limits. Common sense applies and is highly required in a multi cultural (and without much direct contacts but email) like the php.net project. This is why having a CoC, while having little of this kind of problems lately, is a very good thing as a message. A message telling anyone new that it is a friendly environment and that this person won't be left alone if something bad happens. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://www.libgd.org -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
