Hi! > I have created a new RFC for the PHP Project to adopt the Contributor > Covenant as the official Code of Conduct for the project > > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/adopt-code-of-conduct > > Let me know what you think or if there are any concerns
Looks to me like solution in search of a problem. I'm with PHP project since 90s, and maybe it is my biased view, but with all heated and sometimes very controversial discussions, people rage-quitting and swearing oaths to never have anything to do with PHP again, etc., that we have had over these years I can remember maybe a handful of instances where there were - at least in public spaces of the mailing lists - comments that may be suspicious within the framework described in http://contributor-covenant.org/version/1/3/0/code_of_conduct.md. Even in those instances, I'd be hard pressed to remember any instances that would constitute actual intentional harassment. Maybe I'm biased, but as it looks to me, we may have a lot of issues with discussions on the list and in general about how we conduct things, and there was a lot of critique about that over the years, but this does not seem to be the problem we have. Going into the specifics of the RFC, we can already do all things the CoC committee is proposed to do, and I don't remember any case where it was needed - i.e., where a commit had to be reverted or commit karma had to be revoked for harassment, over 20 years history. Was there such a case? If it happens that this is needed, we have mechanism to police commits & pulls. We do not have any mechanism for instituting bans (again, I don't remember us ever needing one - maybe my memory is faulty?) but I think such thing should not be done by 5 people. It should be an exceptionally broad consensus. That consensus would be especially hard to reach when, as RFC states, nobody but those 5 people (and, I assume, the author of the complaint) would not even know the details of the issue, and as the accused would be banned from wikis and mailing lists, thus unable to provide explanations or defend themselves, no semblance of due process can be preserved. If we ever need the procedure for such measures - which I highly doubt - it should be only performed with very broad consensus (minimum 2/3 with high quorum requirement so 4 people voting on holiday week-end couldn't pass such decision) and allow for the accused the chance to explain and provide their point of view. -- Stas Malyshev smalys...@gmail.com -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
