Tom Worster wrote on 03/09/2015 15:46:
The unspoken rules of civility make some people suppress negative reactions to the proposal. In this case it was even implied, as you point out, that dissenting opinion is unwelcome. But I don't think such constraints are entirely fair so I gave my opinion.
A constructive criticism can still be a dissenting opinion, it just needs to be aimed at moving the conversation forward, not dismissing it out of hand.
If you want to say "I think this proposal is a bad idea because X, and none of the variations mentioned fix this fundamental problem in my opinion", that's a constructive point. Ideally, you might say "if somebody can come up with a way to Y, then I might be happier with the proposal", but if there's no such Y then fair enough.
To be fair, what you wrote was reasonably civil, and maybe I over-reacted. It just seemed a bit long on hyperbole and short on actual reasoning.
As such, I'd be surprised if anyone would waste their time arguing with what I wrote and or risk their reputation by agreeing with me.
This seems to be rather a self-defeating stance: "I think this is a bad idea, everyone's going to ignore me, but I'll say it anyway". Why not instead try to say it in a way that would make people more likely to see it from your point of view? They might not come round to your point of view, but at least they'd have weighed your arguments.
Anyway, too much meta-discussion, let's get back to the discussion. I hope I didn't cause any offence by reacting in the way that I did. :)
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