Pierre Joye wrote on 24/02/2015 01:57:
On Feb 23, 2015 2:48 PM, "Rowan Collins" <rowan.coll...@gmail.com
<mailto:rowan.coll...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On 22 February 2015 23:56:18 GMT, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com
<mailto:pierre....@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >Can you all of you stop this madness with moving discussions off list?
> >
> >It is detestable, against almost all openness and principles behind an
> >oss
> >project like php. If we can't discuss anymore design, plans, ideas etc
> >on
> >the list then we are doomed, for good.
>
> I'm sorry, but I just don't agree. This list is extremely high
traffic at the moment, and the idea that recording every word of every
discussion is the be all and end all of an open project is nonsense.
Just as the entire list doesn't need to hear every word you say to
your rubber duck, it doesn't need to see every quickfire thought of a
collaboration or personal debate. Saying "I was just chatting to X
about..." isn't that far removed from "I was just thinking about..."
>
> Now, that's not to say that people should disappear off into private
discussion for weeks and emerge with a polished product; clearly,
important points need to be brought to the list promptly, and extra
views solicited
What happened for phpng.
Yes, that is what I had in mind when writing that paragraph. To make
absolutely clear: I agree that that is a bad thing.
And my reply to this exact post makes clear what I refer to. It is not
a quick chat like we see everywhere, irc, conferences or UGs. This is
about an on going discussion going off list for no valid reason.
The thread you replied to contains no timestamps outside Sun 22 Feb, and
was forwarded back to the list that same day, so there is no evidence of
a long hidden discussion. It doesn't contain any evidence of trying to
reach a back room deal, or otherwise deliberately exclude others from
the discussion.
What it looks like to me is an attempt by someone to get a better
understanding of a particular detail without creating extra noise on the
list; as the conversation evolved, it became clear that it was useful to
the list, and Anthony forwarded it here. This all seems to be entirely
the right thing to do.
The same applies to private mails about open topics, rfc or patch to
try to get one to change her mind. This is not acceptable and will
never be, to my eyes at least.
I would like to repeat that I do agree there are lines that should not
be crossed, and guidelines that should be followed. But I do not see how
any such lines were crossed in this instance.
Regards,
--
Rowan Collins
[IMSoP]
