> Yes, I already know that. > The difference, and why I keep pointing that out, is that me and many > others > want strict typing for our own reasons (but still in its entirety instead > of as a > limited mode) and most of us don't even care if you getting weak typing > for > your own usage. You can't work towards consensus if your target is to > prevent the opposing group of getting what they want. I see both as > valuable > tools for different jobs and I want to have more tools at my disposal, > while > you're trying to tell me that I should use only one tool for everything.
First, it's very important to understand that my target is to prevent the opposing group from getting what they want. I'm really not sadistic :) My reasons were obviously different and worked towards a different goal. Much in the same way that people who vote against an RFC - one of the countless that were voted against - don't do that to hurt the ones who support it. They do it because they think adding it would bring negative consequences. I never believed the 'You don't have to use it' as a silver bullet explanation for why it's OK to add features with potentially negative implications. The good news is that I think that in many ways the ideas we're toying with right now are better for the strict-type camp, especially if we end up going for just one mode, and meet roughly mid-way in terms of strict and weak - which I think is doable. The biggest gripes strict campers had with weak mode are gone in this proposal, and unlike v0.3 - that would actually be the default (and only) behavior, which is a big gain for the strict campers. And the most prominent features of weak typing are kept (dynamic type conversion where it makes sense), hopefully making the weak campers happy too. > But you implied that most objections were from people who don't want > strict > typing in PHP at all. And I disagree with that because it's a speculation, > which > in turn you are using to favor your weak-hints-only case (hence, twisting > it in > another direction). I didn't imply it now (at least I certainly didn't intend to). I did outright say it a week or two ago, and still believe that's the case but reached the conclusion that none of us would gain anything from further discussing it. We won't know unless we start actually polling the people who voted and ask, which we're not going to do, and we're obviously not going to convince each other. Much more importantly, it at least *seems* as if we have a direction for something that a very wide audience may rally behind. Let's focus on that! Zeev -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
