On 01/01/2015 10:35 AM, Andrea Faulds wrote:
Now, going on step back here (talking about me), I'm speaking up because
my< needs are developer are different (mostly speaking about backend
code, interfaces, libraries, frameworks) but OTOH I'm not a big known
open source framework developer either ;)
I would honestly be interested what the big framework/library players
actually want/need; do they prefer this implicit scalar type conversion
system or rather have a rigid system like the current object types but
for scalars too? I think decision on this RFC should include also
"their" saying too.
It's complex because we can't force anyone to participate but I think
above all these are the most important audience here because they know
what they want and they know what their users want. I say this because
usage of object types in PHP is almost non-existent (or, there are just
too few cases) compared to the architecture of some of the
framework/library systems out there.
That’s a fair point. I’m not sure how they feel about it.
Their views aren’t necessarily the most important, though. Frameworks can do
whatever they like, but what ultimately matters is what’s best for the end
users, who don’t deal with the framework internals.
Thanks.
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Andrea Faulds
http://ajf.me/
The "end users" of php-src are "people who write PHP code". Those are
the end users that we should be concerned with. "People who visit web
sites" are *their* end users. Those people don't care in the slightest
what happens on this list; they care that the people writing PHP code
can do their job in a minimum amount of time and with a minimum amount
of bugs.
So asking developers of the major PHP frameworks and applications what
would help them do their job in a minimum amount of time with a minimum
amount of bugs is absolutely a worthwhile endeavor to figure out what
would be "best".
"User research" in this case, means talking to the lead developers of
Zend Framework, Symfony, Drupal, Wordpress, phpBB, and so on. I'd be
happy to make introduction for you on the FIG mailing list, which is the
best collection of such people I know of.
--Larry Garfield
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