On Aug 15, 2014 12:43 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Derick Rethans <der...@php.net> wrote: > > > On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Andrea Faulds wrote: > > > > > I’ve kept putting this off, but given the current “move phpng to > > > master” vote, I really can’t delay this any longer. > > > > > > It looks like PHP 7 is going to happen and phpng will be the base of > > > that. While we could move straight to PHP 7 after the release of PHP > > > 5.6, I think there is some merit in having one more 5.x release, > > > namely 5.7, which would follow our usual release process and come out > > > next year. > > > > Basically, you're wanting to give up hope on PHP 7 in one year *at the > > moment it is started*... I think that's a pretty big mistake to do this > > already. The momentum is here now, let's use it to get PHP 7 > > ready—instead of bogging ourselves down with a PHP 5.7. > > > > we don't have a single instance where we were able to deliver a minor > release under a year, and I'm fairly sure that 7.0 will see more proposed > features/changes as any previous minor, because there are stuff which can > only happen in a major version. > More changes(both in numbers and in impact) will need more time to > stabilize, so I think that the one year roadmap for 7.0 is unrealistic. > You seem to be arguing that 5.7 would pull away resources from 7.0, but I'm > fairly sure that 5.7 would be the smallest of the 5.x minor versions for > two reasons: we are getting better with not letting BC breaks slip in in > minors plus working on a major version is much more interesting as you have > less restrictions, so I think that 5.7 will/would be only to make the bed > for 7.0, mostly introducing E_DEPRECATEDs and maybe a handfull of small > features. > I think that there is no reason to give up our current release policy and > roadmap, and bet everything on PHP7, we don't lose anything with keeping > 5.7.
I cannot agree more with you here. And the delay something like bundling opcache needed almost 300% more time than what was promised. I won't even imagine what phpng will be in we rush it. Cheers, Pierre
