Hey:
I really don't like arguing in english, so this will be my last
reply in this thread.
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Xinchen Hui <larue...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hey:
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>> > 在 2014年7月21日，19:02，Ferenc Kovacs <tyr...@gmail.com> 写道：
>> >
>> >> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote:
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> He just asks if we will have a 5.7 release while working on the next
>> >> major
>> >> in master.
>> >>
>> >> I don't think that we can release the php-next under a years, so I
>> >> think
>> >> that an 5.7 could be warranted (to keep up with our roadmap), but
>> >> depends
>> >> on wether or not we have enough new (BC-safe) features.
>> >>
>> >> I don’t see a reason of why we can’t have this major version ready by
>> >> or
>> >> even sooner than the current yearly rhythm we have. In fact, if we do
>> >> aim
>> >> to work in parallel on both 5.7 and .NEXT � we’re likely to needlessly
>> >> delay .NEXT…
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Zeev
>> >
>> > because there is so much stuff which we want to do in the next major
>> > version, but we can't even start because there is no stable base to
>> > target
>> > the other php-next features.
>> What they are? Please come with RFC and Patches.
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> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/uniform_variable_syntax
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/size_t_and_int64_next
aren't they discussed and voted? what do you mean by we can't even
start in previous comment?
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>>
>> Or you suggest we stop the current work to waiting them come their self?
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> I'm saying that we should resolve the current situation where people can't
> work on stuff which would target php-next, because it is still a moving
> target.
why Nikita could work on it? why me can work on it?
> I'm saying that it is nice that you(the phpng main devs) are confident that
> you can stabilize your changes so making a php-next release in less than a
> year, but other people have other ideas which can only happen in a major
> version, and you shouldn't rush an early release which would mean that the
> next window of opportunity for major refactor is in the next decade.
I am not sure about you attitude here, from these words, seems you
agree to merge phpng to master asap, then people can start work on it?
> I'm saying that it is pretty unfortunate that we have to decide to between
> reviewing/accepting a huuuuuuuge chunk of changes or rejecting a significant
> performance boost and some api cleanup.
we shouldn't, at least most people here shouldn't, only the guys who
need to maintain them should.
> I'm saying that we should stop pushing our own agendas, and figure out the
> best possible solution for the current situation, so that we can go forward
> with the development with the normal workflow, where everybody is on the
> same page, controversial changes are done through RFCs and we don't block
> each other from the work.
you know what? I really don't like "we should; we must", they means nothing..
I have spent lots of my time to work on PHP/PHPNG, more than 80 hours
per month.
I treat it like a regular work, dmitry spends more than me(8 hours per day).
you ask me to stop to wait somebody who even can not work hours a month here?
with all my respects: I really upset by people who always told you,
hey man, don't be rush...
because I am rushing, I have be rushing for months to make the work done..
last of all : "all above is my personal comments, has nothing to do
with Zend"...
thanks
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> --
> Ferenc Kovács
> @Tyr43l - http://tyrael.hu
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