> -----Original Message----- > From: Andrea Faulds [mailto:a...@ajf.me] > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 11:45 PM > To: Zeev Suraski > Cc: Stas Malyshev; Andrey Andreev; Rowan Collins; internals@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Scalar Type Hinting With Casts (re-opening) > > > On 16 Jul 2014, at 21:43, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: > > >> anything this RFC permits will > >> be permitted by zpp, it's the reverse that isn't necessarily true. > > > > Right, so it needs to be fixed. It makes no sense to force a new > > agenda on the language that's inconsistent with the rest of the > > language. Align your new feature to the rest of the language, not the other > way around. > > But to do so would be to make the feature less useful, nor satisfy people who > want stricter hinting.
Stricter typing does not belong in PHP. If it did, we'd have it in internal functions, implicit casting and the rest of the language in general. We don't. And I insist that much like you said people can catch E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR and turn ignore it, they can do the same with E_CASE - except now they won't *have* to learn about this new behavior unless they explicitly want to. While you think it may not be strict enough for some people, and I think it'd be too strict for others - the consistency argument should make the decision between the two obvious. Also, I tend to agree with Stas that we can consider to do E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR on the obviously 'bogus' conversions - like array or object to int. But E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR on simple data loss is radically inconsistent with the rest of PHP. Sorry, I introduced hinting into PHP; I intentionally did not add typing for scalars as it goes against the fundamentals of the language, and I fought this off back in 2008, 2010 and mildly also in 2012. Call me persistent :) FWIW, I think the distance between where you and I stand is not that big - and if we go in the direction of E_CAST for data loss across the board (any implicit casts, not just in type hints), and E_RECOVERABLE_ERROR for completely broken type conversions - this is a big win for PHP, beyond just type hints. Zeev -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
