So is the feature you're describing is tuples and a use case of that
feature is an easier way to do error handling?
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Adam Jon Richardson <adamj...@gmail.com>wrote:
> PHP currently has two separate approaches to handling errors:
> - Errors
> - Exceptions
>
> Both have their issues.
>
> Using and responding to errors requires that the returned value (if
> there is one) perform double duty as both a potential valid response
> AND, in the case of error, a flag that something went wrong. It's easy
> to forget to check that a particular call succeeded and specifically
> handle the error. I find myself constantly revisiting the
> documentation to ensure I know the specific error flag for functions,
> and performing post-hoc analysis of error logs to make sure I didn't
> miss an error flag that I would be better served by handling in the
> standard flow of my app.
>
> Using and responding to exceptions is a heavy-handed approach, as any
> particular exception can bring the entire application down.
> Additionally, the process of raising and catching exceptions loses
> context of the error, often requiring many different subclasses of
> exceptions to maintain the error state. Issues arise when the language
> constructs for exceptions are liberally used in situations that are
> not truly "exceptional," and where the the exception handling becomes
> a glorified goto.
>
> I've been programming in Go, and the ability to pass back multiple
> arguments, one of which is conventionally the error state, is
> wonderful. It's simple, clear, concise, and powerful. The code calling
> into the error-capable function knows the context and can handle
> errors appropriately according to the application requirements.
>
> In PHP, we could provide the ability to automatically pack up a
> comma-separated list of values as an array:
>
> return $var1, $var2;
> // returns [$var1, $var2];
>
> And, we could provide the ability to automatically unpack an array
> into separate variables:
>
> $var1, $var2 = myFunction();
> // same as list($var1, $var2) = myFunction();
>
> This functionality would allow us to embrace the convention that an
> error is passed back as one of the return values:
>
> $dbh, $err = db\connect();
> // check for error
> if ($err) {
> // handle db connection error
> }
> // carry on normally
> $dbh->query("blah blah blah");
>
> The simplicity (just passing back values), clarity (the code to handle
> errors is proximal to the code that caused the error), and efficiency
> (not having to create bunches of exception subclasses to maintain
> context/information, and exceptions are expensive) of this approach is
> a beautiful thing. You can see an explanation of Go error handling
> here:
> http://blog.golang.org/2011/07/error-handling-and-go.html
>
> Concern 1: Isn't this just saving a few keystrokes?
>
> Allowing developers to pass back an array and then access the members
> of the array isn't the same thing, and we're not just saving a few
> keystrokes if this is implemented. Providing this ability promotes
> usage and clarity, and I'm confident Go would not have gotten
> developers to follow this convention if the syntax didn't facilitate
> the approach. I now write my Python code to handle errors in this same
> manner, taking advantage of its ability to handle comma-separated
> lists as tuples (something I didn't know about until recently, I must
> confess):
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/423710/return-more-than-one-value-from-a-function-in-python
>
> Concern 2: Why don't you just use Python or Go?
>
> I really like using PHP for web development.
>
> Concern 3: Are you saying we should get rid of errors and exceptions?
>
> To be clear, errors have their place (maybe an extension failed to
> load, or a warning about usage of undeclared vars, etc.), and so do
> exceptions (for events that are truly "exceptional", that should cause
> a major revision to the branching/flow of the application and/or stop
> the application in its tracks if left unhandled.)
>
> Adam
>
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