Hi!

> I think the lesson here is to get the necessary bits from Suhosin into
> PHP's core so that users can feel safe when using stock PHP, rather
> than needing to wait for the good and generous folks at the hardened
> PHP project to catch up.

Unfortunately, the good and generous leader of Suhosin project expressed
his complete opposition to the cooperation with PHP team on the topic of
getting the features into the core. It still can be done, I guess, but
I'm not sure if we will have a volunteer to do it, especially given this
situation.

As for users not feeling safe using stock PHP, I have a feeling you are
overestimating the number of users feeling so. Millions of users are
running stock PHP and we got no indication that they are suffering from
any particular strong feelings of unsafety. If the security team has any
specific concerns, of course, they can be discussed.
Without doubt, Suhosin adds a layer of protection, but I do not see why
this layer is so absolutely crucial that you are unable to release a
version of PHP without it. What would happen is that users would just
use third-party packages of 5.4 or build their own - with all issues
that follow that.
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Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
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