> a) JSON is actually being mentioned to advocate for the syntax with for the
> sake of *familiarity*.
> b) Interoperability is being confused with familiarity.
My goal is interoperability. Familiarity is a factor, definitely.
> c) Actual interoperability of the syntax with JSON is just a happy
> coincidence (same as with Ruby)
I disagree; see below.
> d) In no context this notation could function as JSON and PHP at the same
> time, mainly because PHP requires tags
I don't think they could be interchangeable, programmatically, as files, but
copying and pasting from PHP to curl for ElasticSearch would have saved me
hours of back-and-forth over the past months.
> e) There is a strong resistance to change, I bet the detractors of this
> short syntax (even with the ":") would change their opinion after using it,
> just the way some of us used to hate the idea of namespaces with "\" and
> after using it changed our opinion (specially with the autoloading standard
> that actually reflects file structure, e.g. in Symfony2).
Absolutely agree. In addition, for me to see the value in this, it took more
than just knowing how it worked, but immersing myself in this syntax (really
wanting it).
When short array syntax was first proposed, I didn't care. As I've said here a
couple times, this is not about saving 5 characters by changing "array(" into
"[", but about many other things.
> f) If JSON ceased to exist in this very moment, supporters of the syntax
> would be still supporting it and perhaps detractors would accept it.
>
> The effect of mentioning JSON, and implying direct compatibility with JSON
> technologies and JSON itself is just adding FUD.
I don't want blanket compatibility. I do want to be able to write PHP that
*CAN* be passed off to third-parties verbatim, if care is taken to do so. Most
of the time I use JSON, this care is not required, though. I don't think it's
FUD, but I do see your point in that the term "JSON" is strangely offensive to
some, and I would be willing to remove it (but not if only you two think this
way).
> +1 to removing references to JSON from the RFC, because "[ ]", "{ }" and ":"
> make enough sense by themselves.
S
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