On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 2:03 AM, Zeev Suraski <z...@zend.com> wrote: > At 01:47 11/08/2010, Stas Malyshev wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> For the record: I consider the current implementation as (one of) the >>> biggest mistakes in the last ten years. >>> >> >> I agree completely. The fact that obvious absence of consensus is ignored >> and we are releasing feature that clearly has no consensus behind it as a >> part of an official release - when we have killed much lesser things for >> much lesser reasons - I think it is a very bad development. >> > > I agree completely too. > > We've also had quite a lengthy discussion on this topic, and there was more > support for 'weak' typing then there was for strict typing. > > The response to Johannes's blog also don't leave much room for speculation > regarding what the community at large thinks. > > Facts: > - When we introduced type hints, one of the 'conditions' were that we'll > never, ever have type hints for scalars - for many different reasons - the > strongest of which it simply doesn't fit PHP's theme. > - We managed to come up with an alternative solution, in the form of > auto-converting type hints for scalars, which does in fact fit PHP's theme > perfectly. > - I suggested we actually take the opportunity to slightly modify PHP's > conversion rules in esoteric cases, where our historical decision is > probably not the right one (e.g., silently converting "abc" into 0 in case > of integer context - instead emit a new E_TYPE warning that would be off by > default). > > My view in terms of preferences: > #1 - Auto-converting type hints + minor changes to PHP's conversion rules > #2 - Auto-converting type hints > #3 - Doing nothing > #inf - Introducing strict typing into PHP (current trunk status) > > As Stas said - there's clearly anything but consensus around strict typing, > so our 'default' in case we can't reach agreement is #3 - the status quo. > As everyone told me when this feature was committed to trunk - "it doesn't > mean anything, it's just trunk". Let's stand behind that statement and > revert it. > > Strict typing should go away before any 'official' package comes out of > php.net. > > Zeev > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > +1 (All of what Zeev said)
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