On 10 August 2010 07:28, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen <ka...@php.net> wrote: >> With the recent additions to 5.4, aren't we getting closer to have a >> public alpha release, or just a development test as we have many great >> additions and changes to the current trunk or atleast set up some sort >> of roadmap for what we all like to have in 5.4, or be that 6.0 as >> thats yet another thing we should get settled soonish. >> > Huge -1 here. > > We are light years away to even be able to define what will be > php-next. Let discuss that September, at the soonest.
I could not disagree more. I think one of the key lessons we should have learned out of the whole 6.0 saga was that "release early, release often" is a good thing, and I don't see much on the RFC list or that's been discussed recently on Internals that's going to be significantly advanced if we leave even discussing it another month or more. I think it's time to make a few decisions on what's in and what's out and move on. Trunk doesn't seem to be in a bad state, all told, so I'd love to see a 5.3+δ alpha next month (presumably towards the end of it) — that doesn't imply a feature freeze, or remove the possibility to change things later, but it does tell developers that we're pretty serious about what's in trunk, and that we want people to start playing with some of the new features like traits to see how it effects them and start reporting bugs. Bear in mind, too, that even with a September alpha, we'd still be looking at a release early next year at the earliest. Even on the quickest timeline I could imagine — a couple of alphas, maybe a first beta on the run down to Christmas, another beta or two early next year, then some RCs — I can't see a stable release until autumn (OK, spring for most of you: March-May) next year, which would be the best part of two years after 5.3.0. Remember, that's assuming we move fast, and history's against us there. :) Adam, who looks forward to getting flamed on IRC later for writing another long screed. :) -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
