This sounds very similar to preconditions in Design by Contract. However,
preconditions validate input to the method as a whole, while the proposed
syntax only checks individual arguments one at a time. Thus the proposed
syntax has rather significan limitations compared to real preconditions.

For example, you could use preconditions to check whether a substring($str,
$from, $to) call has valid parameters. The check would look like this:
assert( $to < strlen($str) )

However, there is no way to do this without looking at _both_ $str and $to
at the same time.

What I'm saying is, if people are willing to go as far as checking
individual parameters with userland functions, maybe there should be a
serious discussion on introducing proper preconditions into the language?
They are a tremendously useful tool for catching various bugs, and they
would solve the type-checking problem as well.

"Giovanni Giacobbi" <giova...@giacobbi.net> wrote in message
news:20090710144118.gd20...@gerbil.thgnet.it...
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 01:40:47PM +0200, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
> >
> > On 10.07.2009, at 13:20, Lewis Wright wrote:
> >
> > >>3)      function Foo(is_int($x)) {
> > >>
> > >>Function is_int is called, an error is raised if it returns false.
> > >>
> > >
> > >But then you're complicating it to the point where it's no longer
> > >much more
> > >useful than just calling the is_numeric method in the function body.
> > >Plus
> > >there's no longer the advantage of optimisers knowing the data-type.
> >
> >
> > right .. lets not forget the original goal (though it hasnt been
> > perfectly defined)
> > the idea was to move common validation code out of the function body
> > to reduce code, increase readability and enable IDE's to be even
> > smarter.
> > moving the function body into the signature was not the plan, as it
> > will kill the above features for the sake of flexibility.
> > the point is not flexibility, its finding a sensible common
> > denominator for validation of input parameters and optimizing the
> > syntax for that case.
> >
>
> Well actually I think the idea was to REPLACE the current syntax with the
contract specification, because it includes both the strict and weak typing,
plus it adds a powerful extensibility to the type checking system to user
space.
>
> Also, we are not moving the function body into the signature, because it's
not a "statement" but a specific single function call.
>
> The grammar will be very strict about what goes inside the signature: at
most one single function name, followed by any number of arguments which can
either be a $var, or a constant but NOT an expression. It should be possible
also to use another syntax:
>
> function ContractHint(is_int:$a, $b, is_multiple:$c:5) { ... }
>
> but I prefer the normal notation:
>
> function ContractHint(is_int($a), $b, is_multiple($c, 5)) { ... }
>
> They look like function calls, but they are NOT function calls in fact.
The executor will call them for each parameter, checking the (bool) returned
value and raising a detailed error with the current line where the type
checked function is called.
> If you write your own checking code, raising an error with
trigger_error(), the error line reported will be inside the type checked
function, which is not very helpful for debugging (in fact I always have to
debug_backtrace() to find something useful).
>
> There is NO ambiguity with current type hinting, you can still have
classes with the same name:
>
> class is_int { }
>
> function StandardHint(is_int $a);
>
> IDEs can still act smart because is_int() is a PHP standard function, and
we could add a few more like cast_int(), and is_int_null().
>
>
> -- 
> Giovanni Giacobbi



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