Hi Lukas
Sounds like a good idea to channel the volume on this list.
I was wondering, would the usergroup part be a replacement for the
moderated messages by regular users or would it be an addition to it?
I mean, we should better start promoting this one moderator-per-
usergroup to usergroups worldwide, because moderating regular users
will still generate quite some additional work. Not all users who have
ideas/questions worth asking are involved in a user group too.
Anyhow, I'm up for an idea along these lines.
Regards,
Felix
Op 31-okt-08, om 19:23 heeft Lukas Kahwe Smith het volgende geschreven:
Hi,
So some core developers as well as lurking end users have noted that
the traffic on this list prevents them from being able to follow
this list. This is obviously a huge problem since this mailinglist
is supposed to be our primary discussion and decision making tool.
I had a chat about this with Zoe, Stephan (of symonfy fame) and
Pierre at IPC. In this discussion I got the following idea (note
that I am listing the names here in order to credit them in this
idea, not because they necessarily endorse it):
What if we have two lists for internal discussions. One which is
just as open as the current one and one that is moderated. People
with commit karma for php-src (and maybe also phpdoc) get
unmoderated access. However this obviously creates the issue that
the community and newcomers will have a much harder time to get in
contact with the core development team. As the list is moderated, it
would require people to manually allow the given posts. This creates
a bottleneck which would also create considerable work for those
moderators.
Here I come to the key part of my idea. We would allow every PHP
usergroup to also appoint one person that gets unmoderated access to
the list. This enables members of the usergroup to feed their ideas
via that person directly to the list, taking load of the list
moderators and ensuring that things a given UG deem important are
not lost in this process. Furthermore this intermediate step would
serve to throttle the traffic and make the numbers of posters (their
writing style and expertise) more easily transparent to other
posters (but more importantly to the readers). I am sure this will
help reduce misunderstandings and more importantly result in a more
friendly tone (its just natural for people to feel overwhelmed by
too large a crowd).
As a side bonus, we strengthen UGs around the world. This will
hopefully lead to better communication channels between internals
and active community members. It will certainly ease the
organization of future testfests (or docfrenzy's) as we will then
have contact people to talk to as well as more of an incentive for
people to join their local UG. I would not want to try to come to a
closed definition of what constitutes a UG. Lets just create an
interface were people can register their UG and manage the email
address for the contact person (and maybe a few other things like
their website etc). People can create physical UGs as well as
virtual UGs for all I care. If we notice that this liberal approach
gets abused (people faking UGs to get direct access and more voting
rights) we can decide on taking some protective measures. But for
now lets just assume that everybody in the community understands the
beauty of such a liberal approach.
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Just like in my previous email. Please all try to focus on sending
high quality replies to this list. So lets all restrain ourselves
and wait a bit longer than usual before replying. Maybe someone else
will already make the point you want to make and in the mean time
you can think things over and optimize your message.
regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
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PS: I have published the above text as an RFC on the wiki ..
http://wiki.php.net/rfc/managinglisttraffic
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