On 14.10.2008, at 22:55, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
Only 8 hours ago, one Jean-Phillipe Serafin wrote: "Many people
have starting working on top level application using namespaces, so
there will a very bad buzz over the php community if namespaces are
ripped out..." and there were further objections on the grounds
that namespace support has been 'announced' on php.net.
Exactly. This is because we announced it on conferences, talked
about it on lists and basically made a lot of noise about how cool
it would be very soon. And people believed us and took the risk. And
now you propose to teach them the lesson that trusting PHP core
developers that they actually deliver is a bad idea.
just to clarify .. there are solutions on the table that people have
worked on hard and that are believed to solve the issues, albeit that
come with some carefully chosen baggage. We are not discussing how to
do things (this goes to Nathan's reply that just came in). if we
remove namespaces now, after talking about it, prodding it, asking
people to try it out, getting a lot of general positive vibe for this
feature, coming up with a solution .. then i think we are doing our
users a disservices. the proposals are not half baked omg we need to
get this done quickly for alpha3 (note that alpha3 was delayed to get
to this point).
of course waiting longer always gives the opportunity to improve tweak
etc. but given that we might as wel stop releasing software altogether
if we are unwilling to take the risk of a mistake.
anyways, given the current state most people voted to remove
namespaces from PHP 5.3. i assume that all people that casted these
votes were (and still are) confident that they actually know what they
voted on. maybe some of the people involved in finding the current
proposals will try to document the issues and the solution (and the
issues in these solutions) onces more in the hopes of changing the
minds of some of the people that have voted. i personally have spend
enough time on namespaces for now that i will not involve myself in
that any further for now.
regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
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