Pierre Joye wrote: > I see no point to discuss solutions for some unknown entities willing > to contribute when they do not consider to introduce themselves. When > they don't explain clearly why we should do the move and what will be > the actual gains for us (read: for "us" not for them). Until a step in > this/our direction is not done, I will not see a point to think about > solutions as it means they don't really care about us but Zend and > associates (as they seem to communicate only with them as far as I > understand).
That you! That is precisely the point. Open Source is about participiation. That means introducing yourself, company and/or person, to the other community members and integrating yourself into existing processes. So far none of the companies allegedly interested into participiation have sent any emissaries to this list, or if they have, they have not made themselves visible at all (nor is this list being announced on http://www.php.net/mailing-lists.php for that matter). They have also not stated the need for any process change themselves, and why that would be necessary to enable them to participiate at all - there have been company contributions to the PHP core before and none of these companies had any problems doing so whatsoever. Open Source is about participiation. And the enabler for participiation is low transaction cost. I see something that needs change. I can do the change. Actually, doing the change and comitting it somewhere is easier than to describe my wishes to somebody else and have them do it. That is why the part of Open Source that works works at all. The change to PECL requested by these invisible parties would make participiation more costly. It breaks the update-change-compile-test-commit cycle, in part even so much that it requires transactions outside of the net, and getting legal advice from your own lawyer. So the discussion we have here comes down to severely breaking the Open Source development model at the base. We would be exchanging a free and open community for some kind of "managed freedom" to accomodate parties who have not even cared to introduce themselves. Why would anybody want to do that? Kris -- Kristian =?iso-8859-15?q?K=F6hntopp?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
