hey pierre, (removed some folks from the cc)
On Thursday 10 January 2008 11:22:52 am Pierre wrote:
> Besides the issues listed by Derick, there is two problems with these
> choices (distro making design changes to upstream software). First it
that's sort of the point of open-source software, though yes ideally the
changes (a) don't break or confuse things and (b) make their way "back
upstream", and (c) are acceptable by the author. in this case there's some
concern about (a) and (c), but it seems joe has followed up with another
patch and i'd be interested to see if that changes anything.
> creates an uncontrollable gray area where you have to be lucky if your
> software works out of the box on a given distribution. PHP (and GD in
i think that's taking things a bit into hyperbole...
> particular) is a pain on Debian (btw, is the pollitics about libgd in
> debian finally gone? :( ). Please don't add the timezone to the list
> of troubles.
like you i gave up dealing with the debian libgd maintainer, but at least it
looks like he's keeping up to date with the latest releases now. would be
nice if he made an update to stable too....
> The 2nd problem are the ISPs and other sys admins. They keep outdated
> or customized systems on their systems. If distros start to use the
> system timezone, I'm sure we will see very old databases on many
> servers in a couple of years. That's an upcoming bomb. It is not
> directly the distributions fault, but this problem is particullary
> true for Debian users (IPS using debian). Debian being conservative,
> their users are even more conservative and reluctant to update their
> systems. The worst is that they even follow blindly your choices.
i think joe adequately addressed these points in a later mail, so i won't kick
a dead horse :)
sean
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