Hello Stanislav,

  noone disagrees to any work any company is willing to do. Infact we should
be extremely happy about the work done by some IBM people lately (to stay
with the same company example). At least I am for one really happy! However
hiding in some secret rooms and deciding something that might or migfht not
affect everyone in the PHP company is different. It is different from any
kind of spirit we had and developed in more than ten years. It is different
from some access controls executed over CVS to not loose control and
directing responsibilities. It simply is not open source. Just read a
dictionary on "open" and the web provides enough written stuff on "open
source". Let's keep it open and maintain the PHP spirit. That does not
prevent any company of contributing to open source. If so then they are not
willing to do open source. Then they have to accept the open source model.
Not the open source model has to change.

marcus

Thursday, November 29, 2007, 5:59:50 PM, you wrote:

>> To add to this, I think that if IBM (and others) are so keen on having 
>> PHP support their nice databases, they should also realize that it is 
>> them that should be nice to *us* and not the other way around. We (as in 

> What I really don't understand is why so many people are so quick to 
> jump into "us vs. them" attitude. Is there a war or what? Isn't there 
> enough conflict so that one must look so hard to create a new one?
> Or maybe it is worth considering that having good database support is 
> good for *both* PHP and IBM?
> -- 
> Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect
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Best regards,
 Marcus

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