On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 21:18:17 -0400, "David Coallier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 7/11/07, Tijnema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 7/11/07, Jeff Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > chris# wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:30:26 -0500, Larry Garfield
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > ...
>> > >> The claim that is still repeated
>> > >> that one "has to" rewrite everything to be OO in order to port to
> PHP 5
>> > >> is,
>> > >> quite simply, FUD.
>> >
>> > > True. But then again, what's the point of using 5 if you're not
> inclined, or
>> > > have the need to write OO apps? It is simply alot of wasted
> language/ space
>> > > and resources, as a whole. Hey! I don't need OO and I've already got
> PHP4
>> > > installed. Why bother with 5 at all?
>> >
>> > There are a number of nice features in PHP5 that have nothing to do
> with
>> > actually creating your own classes or extending built-ins, such as
> (off
>> > the top of my head):
>> >
>> > - file_get_contents()
>> PHP 4 >= 4.3.0, PHP 5
>>
>> > - simplexml / DOM parsing / libxml2
>> > - json_encode|decode
>> JSON PECL extension can be installed for PHP >= 4.3.0
>>
>> > - stable APC
>> > - SPL
>> > - PDO ( although you can get it for 4.4, you can't depend on it being
>> > there )
>> > - backwards compatibility with lots of procedural PHP4 code =)
>> >
>> > If you're writing an app that does a lot of json or xml parsing or
>> > output, *even if you don't use the class keyword anywhere in your own
>> > code* PHP5 is a better language than PHP4. Drupal is a great example
> of
>> > this because even though Drupal doesn't use classes, many Drupal devs
>> > want to use PHP5 features in Drupal core. Right Larry?
>> >
>> > JeffG
>>
>> Except for the OO, I don't see anything that can't be done in PHP4,
>> while it can be done in PHP5. Some workarounds are maybe needed, but
>> it mostly doesn't require more than 10 lines of PHP code extra.
>>
>
> file_put_contents (Probably the one you meant Jeff)
> http_build_query
> xslt* (yeah.. not xslt2.. still ;-) )
> streams (good ones)
>
> There are so many functions that have changed... here:
> http://cvs.php.net/viewvc.cgi/pear/PHP_Compat/Compat/Function/
>
>
>
> To reply to chris above there... yes you could have used any kind of
> DOM in whatever browser and javascript, however, if you wanted to do
> dom manipulation with php, you had to use the domxml pecl extension
> (http://pecl.php.net/package/domxml) which was outdated from it's
> first day (No offence to you chregu :P the extension was useful but
> ugly and slow as a$$)
>
> What else.. I mean... seriously guys.. what the deuce ? Get over
> php4.. yeah made us all win money.. but now make real applications..
> if you need to make simple func scripts, go ahead, you even have more
> functions than ever..
Unfortunately my original point has become obscured by hair splitting.
I was done with this "hair splitting" when I stated that I liked /both/
versions - each for different reasons. It's like a comment made earlier
regarding the use of assembler.
Consider the following...
Assembler is fastest by far - at shifting bits. Can I use it to create and
run web pages/applications? Yes. But just because it is the fastest language
for shifting bits, doesn't make the best language for the web - unless you
were making a web server with it (not out of it).
I think that same analogy applies to both versions of PHP - one version is
more suitable for one thing (your choice(s) here), and vise-a-versa. Or;
while PHP5 allows you to manifest functionality, PHP4 allows you to tack
it on.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
>
>
>
>
>> Tijnema
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