Hi Pierre,
There was definitely a communication problem because on June 3rd, I said
I'd like to roll next week, hopefully Thursday. I rolled on Friday 8 days
later. So I definitely did try and give a weeks heads-up and also synced
with some people individually about what could make it in and what not.
In any case, I'll make sure to try and improve that from now on. You must
note though that it's impossible to have everything synced and it will
never happen that everyone feels they got all their changes in, or we'd
never ever release. The main problem here was a misunderstanding where I
misunderstood Wez' request regarding PDO.
Anyway, in my opinion not much harm has been done. I will sync up with Wez
& Derick to release Beta 2. I believe there is very little delta. It is a
beta after all for a good reason.
Andi
At 08:53 PM 6/11/2005 +0200, Pierre-Alain Joye wrote:
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 11:06:48 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andi Gutmans) wrote:
> At 07:41 PM 6/11/2005 +0200, Derick Rethans wrote:
> >On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, Andi Gutmans wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Wez and all,
> > >
> > > I built Beta 2 with the latest CVS which appears to have
> > > Wez's fixes.
> > Please
> > > check it out and let me know if it resolves the critical
> > > problem and can be posted.
> >
> >Very nice Andi. I asked yesterday for one or two days, then you
> >put out beta1 one followed by beta 2 a day later. That does not
> >make a single bit of sense.
>
> It makes a lot of sense. PDO and the new Engine changes require
> quite a bit of exposure to be sure we can release them. On the
> other hand, we have Unicode work that we should merge within the
> next few weeks so that we can all work on it and have
> maintainable trees. I'll be happy to discuss this with you
> further in MSN later on today.
>
> Regarding the Date stuff. You've been saying for months that
> it'll be ready when it's ready and that I shouldn't wait Befor
> I released Beta 1 you said that you'll merge the importan part
> after Beta 1, which IMO is OK as what really needs testin righ
> now is PDO and ZEII. Maybe there's something I missed.y
Regarding the date stuffs, as I told in my last post, I am ready.
Derick asked for a couple of days delay, so did Wez too.
The most important problem here is not whether or not we were ready
but the way PHP releases are managed (or better said not managed at
all). This time, I'm lucky enough to have some other developers
having troubles. This is not your fault or anyone else fault. this
is a communication problem.
PHP is getting bigger, more developers are active than ever before.
How can you ask so many people to be ready by tomorrow as you asked
a few days ago to be ready end of next week? What is the reason for
such a change?
As a sidenote, with so many developers, I can say that tomorrow
does not exit in a release world, next week does sometimes, end of
the month being the best choice.
I would like to see you respecting your original dead line, and
that's the end of next week. I, as some many other, have to plan my
work, so I did in coordination with Derick for our date tasks.
Why should I now even try to be in time if the given deadlines can
be changed in such random ways?
I'm not blaming you directly, you may not have the choices. I'm
blaming all of us to do not communicate and to do not organize a
bit our team work.
Best regards,
--Pierre
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