Hello Andi,

Saturday, June 4, 2005, 7:58:13 AM, you wrote:

> Hey,

> There have been a lot of questions and discussion regarding status of PHP 5.1.
> In the past few weeks, many have been fixing lots of bugs and PDO seems to
> have reached a pretty stable state.
> In parallel, a lot of work has been done offline by Andrei, Dmitry and 
> others, to enable Unicode support in PHP and the Zend Engine.
> I believe it is time now to move 5.1 forward at a much faster pace. I'd 
> like to roll a beta of it towards the end of next week such as Thursday 
> (giving a chance for some last minute fixes), and then hopefully RC within
> a week or two.
> Once we RC PHP 5.1, we should branch it off to PHP_5_1 and make HEAD the 
> Unicode development stream (merging Unicode changes into HEAD).

> Hopefully, by going at this pace, we can have a pretty decent Unicode 
> version of PHP out there within a few months; and have PDO out there almost
> immediately.

There are a few things i'd like to address before:

1) return by reference at c-level. This is already taken care of by dmitry
who is currently working on a better patch than mine. However i need this
to finalizy ArrayAccess interface. And i need a bit of a time to experiment
with the result and maybe others want to give their input as well. At the
moment the problem is that it cannot deal with references at all but there
is already coe out with 5.0 that used that issue. So here is just somewhat
work and testing needed.

2) PHP is all about the putting out text so nearly all objects created in
PHP are meant to put something onto the generated pages. Thus i think i am
not alone to suggest we put back the magic __toString function in place as
we said when we dropped it's support from 5.0. Also it is very hard to
explain why "echo $a . $obj" and "echo $a, $obj" output different things
when one is an object. Both is pretty much against the spirit of PHP -
easiness isn't it?

3) Is 5.1 coming out without filtering?

4) I still want the ifsetor operator since it is very helpfull and again
simplifies a lot of things.

5) tons of other stuff i menationed offline and in public - since i lost
the energy in tracking all that issues i guess the work and time in those
wasn't worse the effort and they can wait anyway :-)

best regards
marcus

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