On Wed, Jun 4, 2025, at 10:48 AM, Nicolas Grekas wrote: > Le mer. 4 juin 2025 à 17:15, Volker Dusch <vol...@tideways-gmbh.com> a écrit : >> Hi everyone, >> >> We just opened the vote for the "Clone with v2" RFC: >> >> RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2 >> Discussion: https://externals.io/message/127353 >> PR: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/18747 >> >> As with every RFC, a 2/3 majority is required. >> Voting ends 2025-06-18 at 15:30:00 UTC. >> >> Kind regards, >> Volker > > > While I appreciate the effort that went into the proposal and I value > the technical discussions we've had, I feel the transition to the > voting phase comes a bit too soon. It seemed like the conversation > still had room to evolve, and seeing the vote opened while I (and > possibly others) were still forming or refining thoughts is > demotivating. > > Moments like this make it clear how emotionally demanding participating > on internals can be. I believe strongly in the importance of open, > respectful, and inclusive dialogue - especially when we disagree. > That’s how we move things forward, even if it takes time. > > I’m sharing this not to single anyone out, but because I care about > this space and I hope we can keep making the process more > collaborative, especially around timing and closure of discussions. > > Nicolas
While I support this RFC and want to see it in, I have voted no for 2 reasons. 1. The switch to an array parameter, as previously noted, is a major DX loss for unclear benefit. It's just all around a worse design, and "maybe we can change how arrays work in the future" is not an answer. 2. There was still an active discussion with Nicolas going on that seemed rather important. Opening the vote while that was still going on is, as noted above, problematic. --Larry Garfield
