On Thu, Oct 24, 2024, at 01:57, fennic log wrote: > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2024 at 19:37, Larry Garfield <la...@garfieldtech.com> wrote: >> Since Jim's RFC proposal was criticized for being too vague, I hereby offer >> a somewhat more prescriptive policy proposal on using 3rd party code. (With >> JIm's blessing.) It's still more heuristics than rules, but I think that's >> the right approach generally. It also includes a voting mechanism to >> resolve edge cases when they come up. >> >> I'm sure we'll bikeshed it to death, but please keep an open mind about the >> concept in the first place. PHP is more than just php-src, and that's a >> good thing. We need to catch up with that reality, while at the same time >> maintaining a reasonable neutrality about projects Internals doesn't manage >> directly. >> >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/third-party-code >> >> *Puts on trusty flame-retardant suit* >> >> -- >> Larry Garfield >> la...@garfieldtech.com > > I remember a while ago a discussion about bundling composer with PHP by > default (and possibly dropping pear). > What ever happened with that? > As the first thing any dev does after setting up PHP, is install composer. As > this RFC points out, almost every project modern uses composer to manage > dependencies, and every Library, SDK and framework requires composer. > So i'd change this line in the RFC > > We should use it, we should document it, we should promote it. > To > > We should use it, we should document it, we should promote it, we should > > bundle it! > > As I mentioned, it is basically a requirement nowadays to work in PHP unless > you are doing something custom that doesnt require any dependencies, but > then, is that person planning to release it to the public? > I am of no opinion of weather php devs internally should use composer, i have > no skin in that game. But Documentation - Yes, Promotion - Yes, but does it > really need it? Bundle it - Yes!
There is nothing stopping packagers from bundling composer. In fact, `install-php-extensions` (https://github.com/mlocati/docker-php-extension-installer) can do it via `@composer`. Debian packagers can recommend it via “recommends” and I believe the default settings will install it. The main issue is that composer is updated fairly regularly and most package maintainers don’t have the time to keep up with it. — Rob
