On Thu, Jun 27, 2024, at 12:32, Marco Pivetta wrote:
> Hey Arnaud,
> 
> On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 at 21:06, Arnaud Le Blanc <arnaud...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The proposed implementation is adding very little complexity as it's not 
>> adding any special case outside of object handlers (except in json_encode() 
>> and serialize() because these functions trade abstractions for speed). 
>> Furthermore all operations that may trigger an object initialization are 
>> already effectful, due to magic methods or hooks (so we are not making pure 
>> operations effectful). This means that we do not have to worry about lazy 
>> objects or to be aware of them anywhere in the code base, outside of object 
>> handlers.
>> 
>> To give you an idea, it's implemented by hooking into the code path that 
>> handles accesses to undefined properties. This code path may call __get or 
>> __set methods if any, or trigger errors, and with this proposal, may trigger 
>> the initialization. Userland implementations achieve this functionality in a 
>> very similar way (with unset() and a generated sub-class with magic 
>> methods), but they have considerably more edge cases to handle due to being 
>> at a different abstraction level.
> 
> Assuming this won't pass a vote (I hope it does, but I want to be 
> optimistic): is this something that could be implemented in an extension, or 
> is it only feasible in core?
> 
> Greets,
> 
> Marco Pivetta 
> 
> https://mastodon.social/@ocramius
> 
> https://ocramius.github.io/
>  

I really hope it passes, not just for your libraries but also for mine. I'm 
looking forward to going on a deletion spree and having a nice standardized 
proxy API.

— Rob

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