> On Sep 21, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021, 11:56 PM Mike Schinkel <m...@newclarity.net 
> <mailto:m...@newclarity.net>> wrote:
> > On Sep 21, 2021, at 3:45 AM, Pierre Joye <pierre....@gmail.com 
> > <mailto:pierre....@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:21 AM Mike Schinkel <m...@newclarity.net 
> > <mailto:m...@newclarity.net>> wrote:
> > 
> >> Honestly, at first I confused `Deque` with `Dequeue` and was wondering why 
> >> we would name a class with a verb?  It wasn't until Rowan's comment that I 
> >> realized `Deque` is an abbreviation.
> >> 
> >> Which begs the question: how many other PHP developers will know computer 
> >> science terms like this well enough to know `Deque` is a noun when they 
> >> see it, and more importantly how many PHP developers will think to search 
> >> for `Deque` when they need a queue?
> > 
> > Unlike the Vector name which is really confusing as it is not a
> > vector, Deque is actually relatively known for anyone needing a double
> > ended queue. It even comes first in google search, wikipedia or java
> > implementations, which matches this implementation.
> 
> Being able to google what Deque means is one thing, but thinking to search 
> for it when you don't know it exists *and* you don't know that Deque is the 
> term you would need to be searching for.
> 
> > We expect our
> > users to know all weird names of different patterns, I trust them to
> > be able to learn what a Deque is. :)
> 
> So we expect PHP developers to have a computer science background? Maybe you 
> are assuming everyone minimally has your expertise?  Have we as a group 
> decided to forsake beginners? 
> 
> 
> It is not what I was trying to explain.
> 
> However if one looks at the php documentation looking for specific things 
> like these, the Deque will be there. 
> 
> So I am not expecting anyone to have a CS background (btw, I don't), however 
> I do have a minimal trust in users reading the docs and doing a minimum of 
> research. 

And what I was trying to explain is that given my past experience working with 
other PHP developers, I believe that trust is misplaced for many.  

And why make it harder than it needs to be? For PHP, jargon is Bad(tm), IMHO 
anyway.

-Mike

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