On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:32 PM Jan Ehrhardt <php...@ehrhardt.nl> wrote:
> ? Good Guy ? in php.internals (Fri, 10 Jul 2020 17:16:07 +0100): > >On 10/07/2020 17:01, Jan Ehrhardt wrote: > >> I am building PHP for Windows myself, but I know from the questions I am > >> getting that a lot of corporate customers of Microsoft are running PHP > >> on Windows Server 2016 or 2019. They are only allowed to use the > >> official binaries that are supplied on windows.php.net or pecl.php.net. > >> These corporate customers surely will not be amused by dropping > >> Microsoft's support for PHP 8. > > > >Have you thought of uploading your binaries on php.net AFTER Microsoft > >has quit the php support? Windows binaries were very useful for > >developing websites on windows system which is still the dominant > >operating system though, web developers will adapt the workload on > >ubuntu and Mint. I still use Windows and I regularly download Apache > >from apachelounge and php from the official website. > > No. And I will not do that, because I do not want to be liable for any > consequences of using my builds. I am providing them AS IS through links > on Apachelounge: https://www.apachelounge.com/viewforum.php?f=6 > > Many extensions I am building from git head, not from the official > releases by the extension developers. Sometimes I have to patch them a > little to get them building. The Solr extension for instance does not > build yet for PHP 7.4. > > >> Besides that, SMB customers are often using Microsoft Azure for their > >> Windows Server needs. Windows Azure will loose a lot of selling points > >> without supported PHP binaries. A quick search on Azure marketplace > >> revealed as well that some Azure partners will also be left in the cold: > >> > https://azuremarketplace.microsoft.com/en-us/marketplace/apps?search=windows+php > >> Are the Azure Sales people already informed about your decision? > > > >I suspect Microsoft wants to market its own product called Blazor > ><https://dotnet.microsoft.com/apps/aspnet/web-apps/blazor> > > Microsoft's future is in services like Azure. Development tools are much > less important. > -- > Jan > > I work on an app that is almost 20 years old. It has always been hosted on windows and a lot of the early development (which is still at the core of the app) was very windows specific. Since this is an internal app used by our company, and not something that is redistributed, the fact that it was not OS agnostic wasn't an issue. With the development plans we have over the next few years for our app, we don't have the luxury of being able to devote time to making it run on a linux host. I'm OK if Microsoft decides to not officially support it, but, I'm hoping something can be done to make sure builds are still produced. I can (and have) built PHP myself on windows. That actually isn't that hard. What makes the official builds valuable is the inclusion of PGO. My other fear is that if official support for windows is dropped, PHP itself will no longer be developed with windows in mind. One reason building it is pretty easy is because it was developed to be built on Windows. If that stops happening, then building it myself, with or without PGO, will become pretty much impossible as well. > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: https://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- Chase Peeler chasepee...@gmail.com
