> On Mar 23, 2020, at 1:00 PM, Pedro Magalhães <m...@pmmaga.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 4:03 PM Mike Schinkel <m...@newclarity.net> wrote:
>> Once a managed host has a working platform they are loath to change it 
>> because something might break and create dogged wntime for their customers 
>> that is potentially devastating for their business.  
>> 
>> Thus managed hosts rarely add things to their platform unless they need them 
>> to support their platform (like redis or new relic) or there is OVERWHELMING 
>> DEMAND in userland for adding them.
> 
> It is utterly unreasonable to expect to change what is or isn't bundled in a 
> project because you managed host of choice is afraid of breaking something.

What? I said nothing about bundling related to hosts.

What I said is that hosts don't add PECL extensions to their managed platform 
unless they make the decision to do so for all of their platform, and that 
decision is not because some new feature just showed up on PECL and a few of 
their customers want to use it.

> Also, as it has been said before, just because something is bundled it 
> doesn't mean that your managed host of choice won't disable it during compile 
> time.

And that I agree with.  

But you just supported my thesis that including a feature PECL is not a viable 
alternative to providing functionality in PHP core.

> Find a host that lets you control your PHP installation the way you need it. 
> Not the other way around.

That is a utopian sentiment, but not valid in the corporate world that uses 
managed hosting because they are focused on operating their business and not on 
having to spend time, resources and management expertise in securing and 
running servers on the Internet.  

-Mike
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