MB>> If you don't understand XML then it is harder to understand. If you

Well, let's suppose I do understand XML for some measure.

MB>> you are now basically forced to do fucking code like DOM - thanks -
MB>> no more simple.

Making particular case of XML handling simple is good if it doesn't make 
other things harder. I believe the simplification of DOM can be made 
without making all objects magically convert themselves to strings. 

MB>> Well it is just features you explicitly have to code like several
MB>> other languages do - just for the ability to have elegant code.

Now you replaced "cool" with "elegant" - but my point is still standing.
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